Even Laker Fans Now Think Howard Might Eventually Go to Houston

Yes, and the team that gives him the best chance to win right now is the Rockets....How is that hard to understand? If Nash was 10 years younger, If Artest was 10 years younger, if Kobe was 10 years younger, and Pau was 5 years younger, the Lakers would be the best team in the NBA, at their current ages though......well, they're not a playoff team.

 

Are you really this stubborn? Do you have any idea what you are even arguing about here or are you just a complete jackass that feels like he is winning some great debate?

Age??.. really....At this point you want to make this a debate? I dont see what age has to do with anything. All three players (Kobe, Nash, Gasol) were extremely productive players last year, and Kobe still is extremely productive even this year. At the beginning of this season, ON PAPER if you looked at both teams in a vacuum side to side and asked anyone outside of Clutchfans who they thought was more likely to win a title THIS YEAR, you would be hard pressed to find anyone that thought the Rockets actually had a better shot of winning a championship THIS YEAR.

Nobody is denying that RIGHT NOW the Rockets are not the better team with the better record, and the brighter future. So get that through your head, knock on wood for being an overly cocky Rockets fan who could jinx us into missing the playoffs, and move on to an argument worthwhile.

 

That is all I needed to hear, LOL, no point in arguing with someone who can't see that age makes a world of difference with athletes. Carry on.

 

That's not even taking into consideration that we are comparing a Lakers team that has had Howard this season to a Rockets team that hasn't had Howard. The Rockets are still a better team without Howard. Now put Howard on the Rockets and it becomes ridiculously one-sided in the Rockets favor. I'm not sure how anyone could argue that the Lakers would be a more attractive team for Howard.

 

Well he's arguing that age doesn't matter and throwing the names of 1000 year old basketball players as rationale. If you weren't able to understand that players WAY beyond their prime no longer play like they did in their prime, you could make an argument that the Lakers are the best team ever assembled. Of course, you'd have to be pretty stupid for that.

 

Yep, and argue with someone who COMPLETELY discounts production... You do realize you are completely out of your mind right?

Kobe Bryant = 2012-13 - PPG- 26.8. MPG- 38min. AST- 5.3(close to career high) Named All-Star. Currently ranked #11 in entire NBA in PER. USG rate #3 in entire NBA.

Pau Gasol = 2011-12 - One of only 7 NBA players to average at least 17PPG and average 10REB. Age 32(How old was Hakeem when they won their 2nd title in the 90's?- Not comparing Gasol to Hakeem by any stretch FYI)

Steve Nash = 2011-12 - Averaged over 10 assists a game, close to career highs, Career high in FG%, named to the all-star team.


-Yes, this season Gasol and Nash have both declined quite a bit this year, but both players have had a significant injury. Age is one thing, but its hard to argue that Age has been the primary factor to their drop in production, when given JUST 12 MONTHS AGO, both Nash and Gasol were still performing at an All-Star Level. Those were the players they were supposed to have been playing with this year on paper. The team I am referring to that has a better shot ON PAPER at winning a title this year.

Age and injuries go hand in hand often time, but at the beginning of this season both Nash and Gasol were considered NBA iron men. If you were projecting which team was going to contend for a title this year.... sorry, are lieing if you are telling me that you believed the Rockets to be a better team on paper to make a title run this year.

Case closed, done, your an idiot.

 

Was never an argument about what team is better now, and what team Howard would be better off with. The question was simply what team on paper has a better shot at winning a title this year. Well on paper, that's an easy one for me to call. Add in all the Lakers drama, and yes there is an argument to be made in Houstons case. However, that's not the argument that originally started. This is a ridiculous argument that this guy has tried to turn on its head and make me out to look like a Laker fanboy... which I am definitely not.

 

In agreeing with dobro, I will mention one team. The Spurs.

What this ultimately comes down to is coaching. Obviously, The Lakers are not as good as they would be if all their guys were 10 years younger. However, you can't argue the fact that when the Lakers landed Howard it was pretty much a forgone conclusion that the Lakers would be meeting OKC in the conference finals.

Instead, they are a team lacking chemistry with a coach that has never won nor is he a post offense type coach. If Phil Jackson was actually brought back, can you honestly say this team would not have been one of the top 3 teams in the league?

You can say age is a factor all you want but at 34, Kobe is still considered a top SG that some would still take over Harden.

 

I agree with bobby the great you have to account for players age.
Lakers are one of the oldest teams in the league. When Howard does take over they will still need some time to put everything in place to get good players around Howard. Rockets can swarm good young players around Howard faster than the lakers would be able too. I don't think he leaves LA tho but I think Houston would be better fit for Howard if he wants a successful career

 

I never said "on paper" that's something you added in to justify your selection of the Lakers.

 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Dwight Howard says he is the future of the <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23lakers">#lakers</a>, "Yeah, I do. That's what we always talked about since the first day I got here." <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23lakers">#lakers</a></p>&mdash; gary washburn (@GwashNBAGlobe) <a href="https://twitter.com/GwashNBAGlobe/status/304314061808607233">February 20, 2013</a></blockquote>
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This looks like a dumb argument. But, I just wanted to take this opportunity to relate the following from today's Hollinger's Playoff Odds:

Houston: 96.1% chance of making the playoffs, 3.5% of winning the championship

LA Lakers: 27.8% chance of making the playoffs, 0.1% of winning the championship

 

I dont think I need to justify anything. I explained to you time and time again the context of what I was saying(pointing towards a vacuum/perfect world scenario), and you subtract the context that i repeatedly explain, and focus on what supports your argument that doesn't really exist(except the Age argument which is ridiculous).

You are one of those people that care so much about winning an argument that you can't even see that we really isn't much of a disagreement to begin with. I feel like Im talking to Vintage DD here or something. Holy crap.

 

Don't forget to qualify that "on paper" with "at the beginning of the year" as well. You wouldn't want to be accused of mischaracterizing an "on paper" then as an "on paper" now.

 

come on man, if there's ever a time to spell that correctly...

 

*flashback*

 

based on that

Asik 2011/12 3pts/5reb
Harden 16pts
Lin 17pts/6reb

haha Rockets are bound to be a bottom dweller and sit close to last this year!

 

Kobe looking away from Howard mid-high five. Howard seems to notice.

http://www.nba.com/

On the highlights, Patterson saying he doesn't care (about being traded) to Aldrich as he tries to comfort him. Mook looks lost and confused like always.

 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Source: Rockets have not abandoned their hope of landing Dwight Howard and the deals made today, which could clear<a href="http://t.co/8OZuKH8nEH" title="http://sulia.com/my_thoughts/d4894e9a-9c84-44c3-9257-4d07e374a144/?source=twitter">sulia.com/my_thoughts/d4…</a></p>&mdash; Ric Bucher (@RicBucher) <a href="https://twitter.com/RicBucher/status/304476791450501120">February 21, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Means nothing. Last year we had about 90% chance to make it with about 5 games left. Well, we lost all five.