Rockets Plan To Extend Daryl Morey

rocketsfeeva · Feb 19, 2013

If Morey is able to get LMA/Love and Dwight to pair with Harden, people would still complain about the job he is doing.

CDrex · Feb 19, 2013

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Sorry I can't trust a gm who picks Marcus Morris over kawhi Leonard, Nikolai vucevic and iman shumpert. P pat over Eric Bledsoe, avery Bradley and Kenneth faried. Montejunas over faried as well. Many of you don't realize how damaging these picks were. Then to compound the mistake and Draft two more pfs the next year. It's a shame he has more success in the second round then the first round.
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You can't pick and choose like Daryl is the only one who flubbed picks like that. If that's your mindset, there are a couple of draft winners every year and the other 25 teams are an abject failure.

Let's look at, say, 2005, and use win shares as a rough measure of who ended up with a "better career".

#1 - Milwaukee, Andrew Bogut. Missed out on 6 better guys (Marvin & Deron Williams, Granger, Paul, Bynum, D.Lee)
#2 - Atlanta, Marvin Williams. Missed out on 5 better guys
#3 - Utah, Deron Williams. Missed out on 1 better guy
#4 - New Orleans, Chris Paul. Nailed it!
#5 - Charlotte, Raymond Felton. Missed out on 4 better guys
#6 - Portland, Martell Webster. Missed out on 17 better guys
#7 - Toronto, Charlie Villanueva. Missed out on 11 better guys
#8 - New York, Channing Frye. Missed out on 10 better guys
#9 - Golden State, Ike Diogu. Missed out on 22 better guys
#10 - LA Lakers, Andrew Bynum. Missed out on 2 better guys
#11 - Orlando, Fran Vasquez. Missed out on 55 guys who actually had careers
#12 - LA Clippers, Yaroslav Korolev. Missed out on 50 better guys
#13 - Charlotte, Sean May. Missed out on 37 better guys
#14 - Minnesota, Rashad McCants. Missed out on 23 better guys
...
#17 - Indiana, Danny Granger. Despite this being one of the more lauded picks in years, STILL missed out on David Lee
...
#30 - New York, David Lee. Nailed it!

That's two players in the whole round who turned out (by this admittedly crude measure) to be the best player available. Even in the second round great picks like Brandon Bass at #33 can be dumped on by saying "why not Lou Williams, Monta Ellis, Marcin Gortat or Amir Johnson"?

Setting aside marginal things like "wait, how does Marvin Williams have more win shares than Andrew Bogut?", my point is that you seriously cannot operate in this mindset, or you end up saying stupid things like "Andrew Bynum at #10 was a terrible pick" even though he was one of the top 5 players available. And even if you expect your #14 pick to be a top 14 player in the class (by which standard Patterson was no screwup)...then 20 of the 30 2005 picks were screwed up.

Easy · Feb 19, 2013

It's a no-brainer. Morey is easily a top 5, maybe top 3 GM in the league. Alexander would be crazy not to keep him.[FONT=&quot] But we've seen Les run off perfectly good coaches in the past, though GMs are different.[/FONT]

JayZ750 · Feb 19, 2013

CDrex said: ↑

Let's look at, say, 2005, and use win shares as a rough measure of who ended up with a "better career".
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Not to nitpick, but I don't think win share is a useful metric for comparing players on different teams, do you? Or even for the same player that changes teams - see Pau's win share before his trade to LA and after.

I don't generally care for the metric as a whole.

CDrex · Feb 19, 2013

JayZ750 said: ↑

Not to nitpick, but I don't think win share is a useful metric for comparing players on different teams, do you? Or even for the same player that changes teams - see Pau's win share before his trade to LA and after.

I don't generally care for the metric as a whole.
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Throw PER at it if you want, results won't change that much.

SamFisher · Feb 19, 2013

Nextup said: ↑

No playoffs since 2009 and the rockets aren't a lock to make it this year. With all of the supposed assets where still a mediocre team. Morey is doing such a great job but yet were still behind the jazz, warriors and nuggets. 6 long years of Morey and that's all the rockets have a fun team with no defense. All style no substance.
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Feb 2013 TROLOLOLOLOL

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RV6 · Feb 19, 2013

Fire Murray!

Les is just waiting for Mohree's contract to end!

Mawry will never be given another contract!

Mori slept with my wife!

Da_Spark · Feb 19, 2013

Nextup is just trolling you guys. He just registered a couple of days ago and hasn't even made one positive post. Check out all his posts. Just ignore him. It's a waste of time arguing with a troll.

Nextup · Feb 19, 2013

Da_Spark said: ↑

Nextup is just trolling you guys. He just registered a couple of days ago and hasn't even made one positive post. Check out all his posts. Just ignore him. It's a waste of time arguing with a troll.
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Don't fool yourself I'm a huge rockets fan, the difference is my expectations are higher then the average fan. I am just as positive as the next fan. The rockets will be a 2nd round playoff level team within 3 years. The problem is that the new NBA is a superstar driven lg teams like Miami, the Lakers, nets, Knicks, thunder and clippers have too much of an advantage. The only way to build a mid to small market team and contend for championships is to draft superstar players. The rockets only chance to land a ultra elite star that would make them a real title contender is through the draft.
The rockets are on the same path the deron Williams Carlos boozer Utah teams where on. Really good team 50 wins every year but in reality still not a true contender. Even the players the rockets truly want would not be enough for the rockets to compete at the highest level, Aldridge or Kevin love would just make us the jazz.
Competitive balance is horrible in the nba, I'm not against the rockets I'm against the NBA system. The truth sucks if your mid or small market tanking is the only option. If Kevin Durant women 45 games in his rookie year and they lost in the first round it would of severely handicapped okcs progress.I know it sucks but if the rockets want to win it all they must lose now. Being the 9 th seed got the rockets nothing making and losing in the playoffs for the next 5 years won't help either.
Wake up rockets fans we deserve so much better, a gm an a owner more interested in being mildly competitive then truly competing, more interested in making a boatload of cash off of Jeremy lin, rather then keeping the better player dragic and to top off

Nextup · Feb 19, 2013

It off many of us can't watch the games and if we do were forced to wwtchna crappy stream

juicystream · Feb 19, 2013

Nextup said: ↑

Sorry I can't trust a gm who picks Marcus Morris over kawhi Leonard, Nikolai vucevic and iman shumpert. P pat over Eric Bledsoe, avery Bradley and Kenneth faried. Montejunas over faried as well. Many of you don't realize how damaging these picks were. Then to compound the mistake and Draft two more pfs the next year. It's a shame he has more success in the second round then the first round.
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Shumpert blows. Before this year, Bledsoe sucked. Don't understand the infatuation with Bradley.

Did we really draft Motiejunas over Faried? Technically we traded for him. I have no idea if the Wolves made the pick for us, or if we completed the deal after the pick. Not that it bothers me. DMo at this point is an unknown. PPatt is actually a pretty decent player. He just can't rebound, which is why Faried is obviously better, but he's not bad value for the 14th pick.

I did want Kawhi Leonard, and that one still bothers me.

Kojirou · Feb 19, 2013

Nextup said: ↑

Don't fool yourself I'm a huge rockets fan, the difference is my expectations are higher then the average fan. I am just as positive as the next fan. The rockets will be a 2nd round playoff level team within 3 years. The problem is that the new NBA is a superstar driven lg teams like Miami, the Lakers, nets, Knicks, thunder and clippers have too much of an advantage. The only way to build a mid to small market team and contend for championships is to draft superstar players. The rockets only chance to land a ultra elite star that would make them a real title contender is through the draft.
The rockets are on the same path the deron Williams Carlos boozer Utah teams where on. Really good team 50 wins every year but in reality still not a true contender. Even the players the rockets truly want would not be enough for the rockets to compete at the highest level, Aldridge or Kevin love would just make us the jazz.
Competitive balance is horrible in the nba, I'm not against the rockets I'm against the NBA system. The truth sucks if your mid or small market tanking is the only option. If Kevin Durant women 45 games in his rookie year and they lost in the first round it would of severely handicapped okcs progress.I know it sucks but if the rockets want to win it all they must lose now. Being the 9 th seed got the rockets nothing making and losing in the playoffs for the next 5 years won't help either.
Wake up rockets fans we deserve so much better, a gm an a owner more interested in being mildly competitive then truly competing, more interested in making a boatload of cash off of Jeremy lin, rather then keeping the better player dragic and to top off
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So, from your perspective, the Maloof brothers have done a better job than Morey.

juicystream · Feb 19, 2013

Benchwarmer said: ↑

McHale was hired because he is a Yes-man who is willing to play along with Morey's unconventional statistic driven approach.

There's a reason why Presti is GM of the Thunder, Kupchak of the Lakers, and the Warriors recent turnaround when they brought in Jerry West. Creating salary cap space is not difficult, any GM can dump contracts to get draft picks.
A good GM knows how to create an environment where the player feels like a valued member of the team, instead of another trading chip to move. Of course all players are pieces, but at least they can have a relationship with the franchise. Promote loyalty, cooperation, and respect from the players and other teams. This will boost the chances of signing big name Free Agents and re-signing players.
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That is why James Harden preferred the Rockets over the Thunder?

Ask Pau Gasol if that is how the Lakers have made him feel?

Who have the Warriors attracted in the FA market or convinced to stay as a FA?

People way overblow the assets thing.

Nextup · Feb 20, 2013

Kojirou said: ↑

So, from your perspective, the Maloof brothers have done a better job than Morey.
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Sacramento has bad coaching and they are not trying to win. A core of cousins, Evans, and Robinson isn't that bad. One big time draft pick and their on the same level as the rockets.

Nextup · Feb 20, 2013

Kojirou said: ↑

So, from your perspective, the Maloof brothers have done a better job than Morey.
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BTW at one point under the maloofs the kings were legit contenders. the kings had a better plan then the rockets their window closed then they started to tank. The kings have drafted poorly but at least their going to be in the Andrew Wiggins sweepstake.

Aceshigh7 · Feb 20, 2013

One of the very best GM's in all of sports. Period. Lock him up as long as you possibly can.

Flops · Feb 20, 2013

In Morey we trust!

I'm really surprised by all the Morey haters. I had my doubts about Morey in the past but, the moves he has made to acquire Harden, Asik, and Lin have all turned out to be solid in my opinion. While acquiring those 3 players Morey has managed our cap space exceptionally well and we still have young players that other teams seeem to be interested in.

I'm thinking the haters just want the Rockets to be contenders RIGHT NOW and are tired of waiting..

dharocks · Feb 20, 2013

Flops said: ↑

I'm really surprised by all the Morey haters. I had my doubts about Morey in the past but, the moves he has made to acquire Harden, Asik, and Lin have all turned out to be solid in my opinion. While acquiring those 3 players Morey has managed our cap space exceptionally well and we still have young players that other teams seeem to be interested in.

I'm thinking the haters just want the Rockets to be contenders RIGHT NOW and are tired of waiting..
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It's like four vocal people. Don't sweat 'em.

jocar · Feb 20, 2013

Smokescreen. Morey still looking to upgrade himself

jocar · Feb 20, 2013

Benchwarmer said: ↑

McHale was hired because he is a Yes-man who is willing to play along with Morey's unconventional statistic driven approach.

There's a reason why Presti is GM of the Thunder, Kupchak of the Lakers, and the Warriors recent turnaround when they brought in Jerry West. Creating salary cap space is not difficult, any GM can dump contracts to get draft picks.
A good GM knows how to create an environment where the player feels like a valued member of the team, instead of another trading chip to move. Of course all players are pieces, but at least they can have a relationship with the franchise. Promote loyalty, cooperation, and respect from the players and other teams. This will boost the chances of signing big name Free Agents and re-signing players.
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