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Official Fire McHale Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by FTW Rockets FTW, Apr 19, 2012.

  1. mclawson

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    I'm firmly convinced there's a significant population on here that hopes we get DHoward just so he'll get McHale fired just so Lin can play 49 minutes per game.
     
  2. SuperStar

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    I don't even know if Rivers and D'Antoni commands focus either. Doc sounds like a broken record and has a team of vets which helps.
     
  3. pnr

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    The formula for turnover percentage is: 100 * TOV / (FGA + 0.44 * FTA + TOV)

    What I'm getting from this is the more field goal attempts and free throw attempts you have, the less your turnover percent is. It's not exactly a perfect barometer to assess ballhandling ability.
     
  4. Bobbythegreat

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    Well the more possessions you have that end in shots, the fewer that could even possibly end in turnovers.....
     
  5. Codman

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    Is he doing what he was hired to do? Or are the assistant coaches doing the real work?
     
  6. Patterned919

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    This is the opposite of what every other McHale naysayer is saying, which is that he has too much control, is discouraging, and is restricting. Kind of confusing as someone who supports McHale to hear two criticisms that completely contradict each other.

    But either way, to your point, Scott Brooks receives a lot of criticism, Erik Spoelstra has received a lot of criticism. They might not be the best coach, but they're the right coach for the right team at the right time. The fact that McHale is exceeding expectations, I would argue the exact same for McHale. I'm staying with McHale unless we're getting Phil or Pop, or if we start performing poorly, which is the fair thing to do, not argue to fire him when we are playing better than expected.
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    Who cares? I personally don't, and as long as they are getting the results they want, I doubt the FO does either.
     
  8. jtr

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    McHale's great strengths are:

    Delegater
    Motivator
    Team player
    Organizational
    Respected figurehead
    A great front guy for the Rockets coaching staff

    People tend to attribute a JVG attitude to him. He is not a head coach on some egotistical power trip. Everything does not have to be "his way or the highway". I think he is the perfect coach to pair with Morey. And Morey is the person who hired him.
     
  9. Da_Spark

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    When all is said and done, give a coach at least 2 seasons with a brand new rebuilding team who's also the youngest in the league. Record-wise, the coach and the team in general have set some sort of a record in terms of team success thus far. No way you fire a coach when your record currently show success.

    I'm not much of a McHale fan myself but you gotta give him some credit. As much as we're struggling on defense, we are one of the top teams on the other end, if not the best on offense.
     
  10. Rockets0515

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    Mchale is the man... youngest team in league and we are a playyoff team at the moment... enough said.

    would be interested to see how many times teams with the youngest squad in nba have made playoffs
     
  11. Merovingian

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    I think his point is McHale's actual 'positive' influence during in-game situations is minimal... yet his negative influence might be bigger such as his substitution pattern, in game adjustment, etc.

    Anyway that should not be a big issue this season as long his assistant coaches are capable to do the work... are they?
     
  12. jtr

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    The Rockets have a read and react offense. It is by definition not "organized" to the extent of many NBA teams. However once players understand the NBA game well, it is the most potent offensive strategy possible. It actually shifts the responsibility to the players, who obviously make all of the on court decisions anyway.

    The Rockets obviously do have a strategy. They obviously had none at the beginning of the season. That certainly is not the coaching staffs problem, unless they are clairvoyant. But on court they look miles ahead of where they were the first few weeks.

    McHale was not hired as a dominant head coach, since Morey has the final say as far as his assistant coaches go. Can you imagine D'Antonio working under that condition??

    McHale is not egotistical enough to demand full strategic control. I imagine that it is strategy by committee. Why is that a bad thing?
     
  13. jtr

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    One. Ever. Of course they had Batum, LMA and Roy. A bit of talent no?
     
  14. Codman

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    I can respect this logic. I should have said that I don't think he should be fired this season, but I don't think it's in the best interest of the team for him to return next year.

    I don't see the criticisms you mentioned above. I would contend that McHale is sometimes TOO flexible and lacks in-game awareness. He doesn't know how to adjust or make appropriate substitutions, so instead, he becomes the consummate cheerleader. I do get tired of him sitting back and allowing the same ol' "Isolate James Harden Against 2 Defenders" stuff that gets us into trouble.

    Yes, this team is well above expectations, which every Rockets fan can appreciate, but my belief is that Mchale's influence is much less than other coaches because of his inability to make effective decisions during games. I think we would be THAT much better with a different breed of coach with a proven track record.

    Obviously, you don't toss him out in the middle of the season, but if it were up to me, he'd be gone after this season.
     
  15. Codman

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    I see what you're saying, and I agree to a point. Yes, the Rockets have a strategy, but it's extremely limited. With Rick, there were a variety of options and back-up plans for each set. It had flexibility. With this offense, at times, it seems like the players run up the court anticipating James to make it happen.

    I guess it's way too simplistic and the flow often resembles playground ball with some basic motion offense.

    Didn't Chandler say something like, "We don't know what we're doing" to describe why it's difficult to guard our offense?

    That's what I'm getting at.

    It could very well be the AAU/Middle School/High School coach in me. McHale could do much more for this team as an offensive or defensive-minded coach, instead of just a periodic motivator.

    As a fan, I want more from a coach. Maybe that's me being selfish, but I know that some more intention, which does NOT have to relate to control or ego, would do wonders for our team.
     
  16. Nook

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    #1 When McHale took the job it was with an understanding that his assistants would have huge input on defense and offensive play calling. There are different styles of head coaches. Some control the offensive play calling and others do not. KC Jones and Phil Jackson did not control their offensive or defensive systems. It is more common than people think.

    #2 Sampson does NOT control the offense and has limited input. Finch and Bickerstaff are in large part responsible for the offense.

    #3 McHale hasn't lost his team. He has done what was expected of him. He has kept everyone working together, headed in the right direction and the players play hard for him. He is liked by his players and motivates them.

    I don't know how long McHale will be the Rockets head coach. However he has done exactly as the Rockets hoped.
     
  17. rolyat93

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    No. He should not have a higher usage than a top 5 player in the league.

    You're embarrassing yourself.
     
  18. Codman

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    I can agree with some of that. However, I don't think he delegates very well. It's almost like he is indifferent to who is doing what on offense, but if the game gets close, he becomes more involved.

    I'll agree with you on "team player," but I don't think that's anything out of the ordinary for an NBA coach.

    I don't know exactly what you mean by organizational ...but I can't agree with that. At all. Sampson/Finch/Bickerstaff do that.

    He is a respected figure, but not for his coaching. His legacy as a player is impeccable. His reputation as a coach, for now, is average at best.

    If he's going to be on the coaching staff, make him an assistant to work primarily with the bigs. Then, I'll be happy.

    I don't know which available coach would be the better alternative right now, so it makes the most sense to keep him until the end of the season and then evaluate.
     
  19. Possum

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    Stupid thread. We're doing great considering the age and experience of this team. Lock this trash up.
     
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  20. Carl Herrera

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    Unless you are in the actual huddle, it is not really possible to say what a coach does in there. The TVs only show snippets and even when a guy is "miked up" they specifically edit out anything tactical and leaving only the "I want some nasty!" and "Let's go! keep up the intensity!" stuff.

    As HMMMHMM's thread and sources like BBallBreakdown.com show, the Rockets coaches implement plenty of set plays and tactical adjustments. It is hard to imagine hoops lifers like McHale, Sampson, Finch, Bickerstaff, etc. would not know their X's and O's.

    More important, the coaching staff has kept the team focused on competing and improving. It is easy for teams, especially young ones, to fall apart when they hit a rough patch and sometimes they just quit competing. Just look at some of these bottom feeder teams. They have too many high lotto picks to be devoid of talent but they are losing at a pace where you almost have to be intentionally sabotaging your season to achieve.
     

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