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Official Fire McHale Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by FTW Rockets FTW, Apr 19, 2012.

  1. Steal&Deal

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    Thank you. I'm afraid if you don't agree with THEM you are considered a troll. I'm just quoting what a lot of members have said and yet I am considerd a troll. Pretty soon they will have the website to THEMSELVES and that will be a shame.
     
  2. jtr

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    The Rockets are basically running 2 different styles of point guard and a point forward. How can that be bad? If both Parsons and Lin can add 3-4 ppg they will be a very difficult out in the playoffs.
     
  3. jordnnnn

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    Parsons with his 13.3 turnover% and Delfino with his 11.6 turnover%?

    They turn the ball over at lower rates than Harden and Lin.

    I'm pretty confused on how this works out. Giving the ball to a higher turnover guy by taking it from lower turnover guys makes the team turn the ball over less?
     
  4. gate470

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    I'm not arguing against you but i'm just pointing out that steal&deal isn't completely wrong either, since members have discussed this.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    I get what you are trying to say, but If you look at the stream of "logic" that he is going with, you have to admit it doesn't make any sense. First saying that Harden shouldn't have the ball as much as Lin because he leads the league in turnovers.......

    Then a little later when it is shown that Lin would have even more turnovers than Harden if he handed the ball as much......

    Yeah, now turning the ball over is great for the team.... Pretty infuriating to deal with people like that.
     
  6. Bobbythegreat

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    Shhh the only answer is always give the ball to Lin, it doesn't matter if he'll turn it over more often, it doesn't matter if it would hurt the team, it's the only way to get Lin's numbers up to where his fans can say "Linsanity" is back on....get with the program.
     
  7. Steal&Deal

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    Makes the turnover% stat dubious at best. It's obvious from watching the games that you don't want Delfino playing PG. Sometimes too much emphasis is placed on stats and not on intangibles such as team chemistry which is the most important factor in winning of all. That is why the Rockets are "overacheiving". There is a lot of good character and camaderie on the team.
     
  8. jtr

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    Well, members are at times absolutely wrong. I don't know about you but I am completely comfortable when Parsons and Harden have the ball. Lin, less so. But I am a Lin supporter and have never said anything bad about him. I guess that would be my "eye test". And I despise my even mentioning it. "Eye tests" may work for NBA people, but with less than complete understanding of the NBA it is as likely to lead me wrong.
     
  9. jtr

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    Yes the Rockets have great team chemistry. They are a joy to watch because of it. And team chemistry is one of the reasons I believe that McHale is doing just fine as the coach. He is either promoting great team chemistry or just staying out of it and letting it develop. Either way is OK by me.

    Team chemistry
    Exceeding expectations
    Getting better as a team as the season goes on
    Young players getting better
    Players buy in to the offensive and defensive strategies

    When one of those goes wrong then we can discus the job McHale is doing.
     
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    No one is arguing to give Delfino more ball handling duty though...

    If someone was pointing at his turnover% as a claim to be our primary ball handler they would be laughed at, but like I said no one here is doing that.

    There is nothing dubious about the stat. It's what has happened so far this season, what's dubious is your understanding of the game.
     
  11. SirKen

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    See this below?

    But hey, it's not like I posted any other arguments right?

    Oh...
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    Again, I would point out that the team is exceeding expectations, so while YOU might disagree with some of the decisions he has made, they are working. As long as they are working, and the team is winning, and they are exceeding expectations, why complain?
     
  13. Steal&Deal

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    Oh I understand the game plenty - just not familiar with the turnover% stat. If the stat says that Delfino's turnover% is less than Lin's or Harden's then I have to question what relevance that stat has. Enlighten me please - what does it mean? It sounds like Delfino is a better ballhandler than Lin or Harden but we know that's not true. So please tell me what it's relevance is.
     
  14. SuperStar

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    Nothing wrong with complaining about what we think McHale can do better, just obvious some ppl have Lingendas!
     
  15. Bobbythegreat

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    Exactly. Honestly, I'm not even really against complaining about things that McHale does, I'm against suggesting he should be fired while he's doing what he was hired to do and the team is ahead of projections.
     
  16. SuperStar

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    Coaches are judge by their record and whether they are meeting expectations or not. The team is overachieving in the eyes of many so his job is safe. No one really cares if he gives Lin dirty looks, yells at him, bench him, etc as long as the team does well.
     
  17. Bobbythegreat

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    Well for some, that's ALL they care about. Of course they aren't real Rockets fans anyway, so they really shouldn't count.
     
  18. Codman

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    McHale's actual influence during in-game situations is minimal, in my opinion. When you listen to him during timeouts, it's more of "C'mon guys. Keep it up," followed by a few claps of the hands. If you watch, most of the players aren't even listening to him. This is where I think he's lost his way with the team.

    If you consider how other coaches "command" focus from their players during timeouts and what not, McHale is out of his league. Popavich, Rivers, hell, even D'Antoni get the necessary attention from their players.

    McHale plays the role of a cheerleader whereas other coaches have a dual role of motivator and strategist.

    If you look at the Xs and Os of the Rockets offense (which is honestly not very organized; see: Chandler Parsons comments) Sampson runs this team with Finch coming close.

    Kevin is the head coach based on his name and history.

    He probably has great vision as a GM (KG, Kevin Love) but he doesn't belong on the bench.
     
  19. jordnnnn

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    It's really not hard to understand the stat. It's a percentage instead of a total. The reason Harden has more turnovers than Lin is because he handles the ball much more than Lin.

    The stat does say Delfino has a lower turnover%, but that's not the whole story. Just like Lin's high turnover% isn't the whole story either. Delfino only assists on 13.2% of his plays while Jeremy is much higher at 28.8%, you have to look at the other factors.

    This is why no one is clamoring for Delfino to handle the ball more even with his low turnover number and also a big reason that even though Lin's turnover number is rather high he still has ample opportunity with the ball.

    It's about finding the right balance and personally I think Mchale has a pretty good balance given all the factors. It's obvious many Lin fans don't feel this way, but I just can't see a good reason to give Lin more opportunity when we have a guy like Harden who is assisting at a very similar rate while turning it over at a lower rate.
     
  20. Bobbythegreat

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    I'd argue that he belongs on the bench so long as he's doing what he was hired to do and the team is exceeding expectations. Everything else is irrelevant.
     

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