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Official Fire McHale Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by FTW Rockets FTW, Apr 19, 2012.

  1. LosPollosHermanos

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    Sarcasm? :eek:

    I hope so. :grin:
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    Absolutely! How dare this rebuilding team that's the youngest in the league not win the championship!!!!
     
  3. BraveFox

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    I loved him for risking his career in the '87 playoffs by playing on a broken foot. Boston ended up losing the NBA Finals in six and his career was never quite the same. To this day, he walks with a slight limp. To this day, he says he'd do it again.

    impressive!
     
  4. Steal&Deal

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    Bobby, Bobby, Bobby. You're such a supporter of the great McHale who traded Kevin Garnet from Minnesota to the Celtics, fired coach Dwayne Casey who had a .500 record for Randy Whitman who compiled a 38-105 record, fired Whitman and took over coaching where he compiled a 20-43 record and was then subsequently fired himself. Led Houston last year to a late season collapse and didn't make the playoffs. What a loser as a GM and coach - no wonder you support him.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    I'm no so much a supporter of him, I just don't expect him to be able to move mountains. There isn't a coach in the NBA, past or present, that would win this year with this team. Why the hell would you think McHale could if he's such a terrible coach?
     
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    I don't agree with you - I think we would have won more. Wait until he gets fired then you will see what the team can do.
     
  7. davek

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    Fire mchale. He failed to see delfino was cold as ice and still kept using him. The last 2 loss was all cause of delfino.
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    I don't doubt you think that, and maybe a GREAT coach wins a few more games this year....so what? Point is this is a rebuilding team, right now doesn't matter. I expect McHale to be fired once the team is completed, but winning with a different coach and a completed roster won't mean that he did anything wrong during the rebuilding phase.
     
  9. Steal&Deal

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    I believe he's stunting the development of the young players. Of course I'll never be able to prove that - just my opinion.
     
  10. Canadiandude

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    Mchale drafted KG. Also, the T-Wolves were a perennial playoff contenders under his watch. Read this again. Minnesota were PERENNIAL playoff contenders with Mchale as the GM. Minnesota has ZERO playoff appearances before or since Mchale.
     
  11. Bobbythegreat

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    Whose development is he stunting? The team seems to be doing pretty well.
     
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    I learned from another thread an example about the importance of correctly using players to their strength.

    P. J. Carlesimo became head coach of the Seattle SuperSonics on July 5, 2007. The Sonics relocated to Oklahoma City a year later, where they become the Oklahoma City Thunder. Carlesimo was fired on November 22, 2008 by the Thunder after a 1–12 start. ---Wikipedia.
     
  13. Bobbythegreat

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    Yeah but this team isn't anywhere near as talented as that Thunder team, and they're winning.....wouldn't that mean they are doing a good job?
     
  14. Steal&Deal

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    And they NEVER made the playoffs with McHale as coach!
     
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    You're the one who brought up his "failings" as a GM, which, for the most part, wasn't true.

    Actually they were 1 game out of the playoffs in a very tight race after Flip Saunders was fired, but you are correct. Later Mchale inherited himself a rebuilding process, but details shouldn't matter as long as it fits your argument. Also, let's dismiss his winning percentage with Rockets, because that doesn't fit your argument. Nor the fact that we're in playoff contention. Let's also dismiss the fact that 95% of our current roster has statistically improved since last year because that certainly wouldn't support your claim.
     
  16. jtr

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    I just pointed out how using your metrics one cannot even remotely gauge a coaches performance. You really do need to change your metrics. If you use the article below it would help you clearly and concisely build a quick checklist of how well any NBA head coach is doing their job..

    Rating NBA head coaches is very difficult. So many fans harbor serious misconceptions about what a coach can influence. Below is a SBNation post by Mike Prada that clearly explains some of the points I have been trying to convey:

    1. Coaching is like a box of chocolates. There's no one right way to coach in this league. Phil Jackson won 11 titles by creating a system, being calm in the face of adversity and teaching more than screaming. Gregg Popovich won four titles in nine years by acting like a drill sergeant and not making one player bigger than the team. Both styles worked.

    2. Coaching is people management. For all the scheming done, we forget that coaches are dealing with human beings that are motivated by all sorts of things. They go through crises of confidence. They shrink or rise from the moment. They experience jealousy because someone else on the team is paid more than them. They have habits to unlearn, and some of them can't do everything you wish they could do. The trick is motivating them to be the best collective they can be while designing a way to make the most out of their individual talents. If that sounds hard, it's because it is really, really hard.

    3. Coaches must delegate. Assistant coaches and advance scouts don't get nearly enough credit or blame in this game. Every single coach in this league relies on those people for his expertise. It is often their insights that make a head coach look good or bad.

    4. Coaches control little in the actual flow of a game. A common refrain fans have against their head coach is "he's a bad in-game coach! He doesn't make adjustments!" Let's get one thing straight: every single possible thing a coach could do within the game has been talked out and discussed beforehand. Very little comes as a surprise to any coach within the flow of the game. If a coach doesn't look like he is making adjustments, it's because he's already accounted for that scenario in his head and is one step ahead of you. Or, sometimes, he's one step ahead of himself.

    5. Coaches have all the control and none of the control. This is the key point. A coach is like a project manager at your office. He sets the agenda (style of play) for you. He runs the meetings (practices). He assigns tasks to different members of the project (playing time). The difference is that his group of people a) often make more money than him, b) are often given to him by someone higher up in the company without him being consulted, and c) may simply be less talented or, worse, more talented and unwilling to listen than the people who work for his competitor.
     
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  17. Steal&Deal

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    The "truth" is that McHale has never made the playoffs as a coach. I don't know his whole history as a GM and maybe he was decent at that job overall. His record as a coach though is below .500.
     
  18. jtr

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    May I point out your obvious fallacy of utilizing to small of a sample set to reach your conclusion?
     
  19. Steal&Deal

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    Well he's coached over 200 NBA games and his career record is 102-113 - not exactly hall of fame credentials. But seriously don't u realize he sucks as a coach?
     
  20. muas2010

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    If anyone's watched all the games thus far and not realized that coach McFail is not a great coach, then you are not watching the game closely. Unless, you have 5 Lebrons on the team a good coach is very essential in any team sport.

    1. A good coach knows the strength and weakness of every player. This puts the team in the best position to win games, especially close games.

    2. From #1, a good coach will be able to assist in coaching out the weakness of the player (player development).

    This team is a very coachable team and has a lot of talents.
     

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