Lebron James just became first player in history to score 30pts on 60% shooting for 6 straight

I am quoting at "against Charlotte, almost shouldn't count".

I will agree that kobe's streak was more impressive but it has been done before whereas Lebron just broke the record. That's where the difference. You may say is easy to score 30points on 60FG% but why in 67 years NBA history nobody has done it before? Why couldn't Kobe done it???

 

You're focusing only on points, which is Kobe's forte. Take into account the rebs, the assists and blocks before you start posting smack. Also the only reason Kobe averaged 50% FG is because he had one game where he got 59% FG, it probably wasn't counted because 2 of his 5 games had his FG% into the 40% range, which isn't really impressive. On the other hand everyone of LBJ's game had him over 60%. Maybe Chandler would also get recognition if he scored 30 pts a game instead of 30

Even if you averaged it, 30 pts on 70% FG is still better than 50 pts on 50% FG. That's just on points, when you add 1 block, 6 assists, 6 rebs, 1 steal and the fact that LBJ's shooting 50% from 3 then you really have no argument.

 

it is a great measure for how good he has been playing but it is a meaningless tool to scale him against other feats.

This doesn't pale in comparison to what Kobe pulled off in 07. That was some insane ****.

 

He's a known Jordan hater. Don't try to reason with him.

 

Kobe averaged almost 7 RPG during that stretch.

It is no contest....

 

Y'all are automatically assuming that this is Lebron's best 5/6 game stretch in his career but it's not.

In 08-09, he had a 5 game stretch where he averaged 35.8 points, 9.4 rebounds, 10.2 assists, 3 steals, and 2.4 blocks shooting 50% and won all 5 games.

 

Did he also average 6 assists, 1 steal and 1 block? C'mon dude, everyone's saying he broke the record, and nobody said Kobe broke any records when he was scoring 50 pts a game. Historically speaking, it's harder to score 60% FG for 30 pts than it is to score 50 pts on 50% fg. If you actually AVERAGE his fg%, the record is 70% FG, which probably won't be broken anymore.

 

He became the second player in NBA history (after Wilt) to record 4 consecutive games of 50+ points....

Scoring 50 in consecutive games is historically harder, especially on 50%FG+. No idea what you are basing your claims.

As far as assists go, who was he gonna pass to? Kwame Brown? Smash Parker? Luke Walton?
Did get over a steal but defense is more than steals/blocks

 

I'm not a Jordan hater, I think people just routinely confuse MJ the man vs MJ the Space Jam character.

I think he's the GOAT wing player, but putting him over big men like Kareem and Hakeem is just ridiculous IMHO. There's also the fact he signed a contract which paid him only 7M a year, something people don't realize when they talk about his supporting cast.

 

He could have passed to Lamar Odom, Sasha Vujacic, Bynum, Farmar, Vladimir Radmanovic. not a terrible supporting cast....

 

LeBron does it without ballhogging and ballstopping.

 

He didn't score on 50% FG every game though, that's just the average. This is why although it's impressive it's not worth keeping in the record books because in that streak he had 2 games in the 40% range FG. That's the point. LBJ did it at 60% or above every game. I'm not sure what your argument is about Kwame Brown etc...you could also turn it around and say who's gonna shoot the ball, Kwame Brown and Smush Parker? OTH LBJ had Bosh and Wade and Allen who need touches so he didn't shoot the ball as much as Kobe did.

If you think about it scoring 30 pts on 70% shooting is a lot harder than scoring 50 pts on 50% FG, just because Kobe scored more pts doesn't mean it's better, LBJ took 100 attempts like Kobe did he'd have 70 pts.

 

Kobe just took more shots.

LeBron took smarter shots (much harder to do).

 

Odom is solid, not a legitimate second option...

Bynum was raw as hell at that time.

The three guys I named were starters.


The cast was absolutely terrible. Without Kobe, it may have been the worst team in NBA history.

 

Worse than the team LeBron took to the Finals in Cleveland?

 

Can those guys match Jordan's team AND individual accolades? I don't think so.

 

There's also this. Cleveland went from winning 60 games to getting Tyrus Thompson with the 4rth draft pick, and the only guys they lost were LBJ and Big Z.

Kobe fans shouldn't be complaining about his lack of supporting cast. The 5 rings Kobe got were obtained by playing with Shaq and Pau Gasol, two bonifide HOF guys. You can argue that LBJ also won his ring with Dwade and Bosh, but at least in Miami they didn't have anyone else but those 3, in Kobe's case his team was routinely stacked with amazing role players who were almost stars on their own like Fish and odom.

 

Cleveland 06-07
6 Shannon Brown SG 6-4 205 November 29, 1985 R Michigan State University
1 Daniel Gibson PG 6-2 190 February 27, 1986 R University of Texas at Austin
90 Drew Gooden PF 6-10 230 September 24, 1981 4 University of Kansas
32 Larry Hughes SG 6-5 184 January 23, 1979 8 Saint Louis University
11 Zydrunas Ilgauskas C 7-3 238 June 5, 1975 8
23 LeBron James SF 6-8 240 December 30, 1984 3
19 Damon Jones PG 6-3 185 August 25, 1976 8 University of Houston
27 Dwayne Jones PF 6-11 250 June 9, 1983 1 Saint Joseph's University
24 Donyell Marshall PF 6-9 218 May 18, 1973 12 University of Connecticut
14 Ira Newble SF 6-7 220 January 20, 1975 6 Miami University
3 Sasha Pavlovic SG 6-8 220 November 15, 1983 3
31 Scot Pollard C 6-11 265 February 12, 1975 9 University of Kansas
20 Eric Snow PG 6-3 190 April 24, 1973 11 Michigan State University
17 Anderson Varejao C 6-10 230 September 28, 1982 2
4 David Wesley SG 6-0 190 November 14, 1970 13 Baylor University

Lakers 06-07
54 Kwame Brown C 6-11 270 March 10, 1982 5
24 Kobe Bryant SG 6-6 200 August 23, 1978 10
17 Andrew Bynum C 7-0 285 October 27, 1987 1
43 Brian Cook PF 6-9 234 December 4, 1980 3 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
6 Maurice Evans SG 6-5 220 November 8, 1978 3 University of Texas at Austin
5 Jordan Farmar PG 6-2 180 November 30, 1986 R University of California, Los Angeles
2 Aaron McKie SF 6-5 209 October 2, 1972 12 Temple University
7 Lamar Odom PF 6-10 220 November 6, 1979 7 University of Rhode Island
1 Smush Parker PG 6-4 190 June 1, 1981 3 Fordham University
10 Vladimir Radmanovic PF 6-10 227 November 19, 1980 5
21 Ronny Turiaf C 6-10 249 January 13, 1983 1 Gonzaga University
18 Sasha Vujacic SG 6-7 193 March 8, 1984 2
4 Luke Walton SF 6-8 235 March 28, 1980 3 University of Arizona
3 Shammond Williams PG 6-1 201 April 5, 1975 6 University of North Carolina

 

Well like I said the fact that MJ played for only 7M a year (at the time when there was no MAX salary in the NBA) factored a lot in his rings. Imagine how many more rings Kobe or LBJ would have if they only played for 7M a year in today's NBA.

As far as his individual accolades, it is definitely impressive but if I were picking these guys from draft I'd still pick Kareem (who in my eyes is the real GOAT), Hakeem and arguably TD over MJ. Big men just affect the game a whole lot more than guards, and MJ unfortunately is no exception. Just ask Tinman how the Rox were more than a match for MJ in all his glory, a lot of people forget that during the 2nd run MJ was actually already back in the NBA, the Bulls just couldn't get to the NBA finals.