1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

The Lowry-Dragic vs. Lin Tracking Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by JCDenton, Nov 1, 2012.

  1. Z-Ro&Trae

    Z-Ro&Trae Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2009
    Messages:
    2,735
    Likes Received:
    41
    I'll say Lowry is the best point out of all of them, while Dragic has the crappiest team. i think Dragic has better overall stats, but Lowry has been killing in lately in multiple losing efforts.
     
  2. Billionzz

    Billionzz Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2002
    Messages:
    2,554
    Likes Received:
    94
    I'm a Rocket fan and a Lin fan.
    Just curious what do you think Lin sacrificed?
     
  3. TC777JLIN168

    TC777JLIN168 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2012
    Messages:
    687
    Likes Received:
    29
    His Stats and his natural way of playing - that's what he is sacrificing. Watching how he played last year, how he got the whole Knicks team involved, he is doing the same here. The main difference, as I see it, is he was playing with veterans who were able to get on board very quickly last year, versus now on a green team with mostly inexperienced players.
     
  4. TC777JLIN168

    TC777JLIN168 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2012
    Messages:
    687
    Likes Received:
    29
    For example, with Tyson and A'Mare and even Jared Jeffery, Lin's AST would be way up for sure and the team would have more wins :).
     
  5. Good Times

    Good Times Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2003
    Messages:
    261
    Likes Received:
    383
    Would not have imagined this but Lin is shooting better from 3 than Dragic...

    3pt fg%
    Lin - 32.1%
    Dragic - 31.7%
     
  6. roxxy

    roxxy Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2012
    Messages:
    5,120
    Likes Received:
    162
    Yeah I wouldn't have imagined it either. We will see how long it lasts though. Maybe Lin was just in a mean slump in the beginning of the season when it came to his outside shooting. It is rare that people improve on skill sets during the regular season. Usually the off season is when players get better.
     
  7. cfansnet

    cfansnet Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2009
    Messages:
    1,088
    Likes Received:
    56
    Excellent post! Thanks so much for this as I definitely learned more in general about basketball and the stats used to track things.

    Oh come on, that's ridiculous. It's one thing to disagree with his statement after you read and understood it. But it's something else entirely to disregard it simply because you either think it's too long or it's too hard for you to comprehend.

    This is the reason so many people are uneducated today because they aren't willing to take the time and learn something. Instead, they want the whole world summed up to them in a few sentances :rolleyes:
     
    1 person likes this.
  8. chenglug

    chenglug Member

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2006
    Messages:
    255
    Likes Received:
    4
    As bad as his Fgp has been earlier this season, his season Fgp is now at a solid .44 and .32 from 3pt line. Definitely a good news for rox! I hope the coach and team is aware of that and let him control or shoot the ball a little bit more
     
  9. mike_lu

    mike_lu Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2006
    Messages:
    2,159
    Likes Received:
    169
    I think what you're alluding to is correct. Lin put in hours each day on his outside shooting last year. And by all accounts it had improved greatly in the offseason (ie it's not a mid-season improvement).

    But he came into the season with a pretty bad (was going to say worst possible, but honestly we've seen worse) slump. I think it had a lot to do with not having the lift on his legs/knees post surgery, and when he was training and doing the reps, overcompensating for it with more action from his arms.

    Then of course, when the games started, the adrenaline plus his slowly improving legs/knee meant his shot was out of whack. I'm no sports scientists, but if you go back and look at his 3pt shots in the first 20 games or so of the season, many of us kept commenting he put too much arc on it, and it seemed he was aiming/trying to will the shot in too much. I think that may have been the result of all those hours in the gym trying to perfect the shot without his full legs/bounce back having an adverse effect.

    Nowdays, you can even feel that his shot travels in the air for a shorter period of time (even if just a split moment), and Lin seems to just let it go. The arc has certainly come down a bit.

    I also think having the ball in his hands more have mattered, as Lin is a rhythm shooter and he's also taken more shots off the bounce than earlier in the season. It's really starting to come together, and in the last 20 games or so he's shooting ~38% from 3s. If he shoots the 3pt shot at ~35% the rest of the way (NOT averaging 35% for the season, just shoot 35% rest of the way and end up averaging 33-34% for the season), I would be quite optimistic Lin will end up being a 36-38% career 3pt shooter (at least).

    Hard work + a trajectory of improvement for a young player usually leads to rapid improvement in a player's first 2-3 seasons with minutes, and shooting among the skill sets in basketball isn't the hardest to improve (but to be honest, they're all hard to improve on).
     
    1 person likes this.
  10. roxxy

    roxxy Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2012
    Messages:
    5,120
    Likes Received:
    162
    Ye I agree. I always said that he is a lot more confident shooter at jumpers off the bounce. So maybe he was slumping because of the just coming back from injury, getting a new back court mate etc. I always heard that recovering from your first major injury is always the toughest to do.

    It was weird cause in the beginning of the season I figured it was just a mean slump & he would get out of it. But then it didn't get better so I was like he isn't a great shooter off the catch, a lot better of the bounce & I figured that this off season he didn't work as hard on his shooting (off ball skill) as he did on other aspects of the game (on ball skills) because nobody anticipated the Harden trade.

    And honestly it wouldn't be farfetched that his shooting got worse because that is what happens to a lot of players (ex Parker when he was younger).

    Honestly only time will tell in terms of his shooting what really happened but if it does continue to stay in the low-mid 30's then yes it was likely just a slump, if it gets worse then he is likely just having a bad shooting year.
     
  11. Sports2012

    Sports2012 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2012
    Messages:
    1,505
    Likes Received:
    16
    Those are exactly the same averages as those of his 35 games played in NY, including the 10 games he played in garbage time before Linsansity.
     
  12. tor.rocks

    tor.rocks Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2012
    Messages:
    411
    Likes Received:
    7
    OMG Jeremy Lin improving...who would have thought.
     
  13. EarlIII

    EarlIII Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2012
    Messages:
    679
    Likes Received:
    23
    That's the highest vertical I've seen from Lin ever. Anyone know what vertical you need to dunk from the bottom of the circle for a 6'3" guy?
     
  14. howo13579

    howo13579 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2012
    Messages:
    864
    Likes Received:
    21
    God this thread is turning into love fest between posters agreeing with each others. I have to say it's kind of gaay.
     
  15. liunatic

    liunatic Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2009
    Messages:
    294
    Likes Received:
    21
    No idea, what's his standing reach?
     
  16. hocash

    hocash Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2013
    Messages:
    1,041
    Likes Received:
    36
    You didn't see his dunk last year during Linsanity? The guy has always been able to do that. He just seems to save his energy rather than do it.
     
  17. novaman

    novaman Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2012
    Messages:
    941
    Likes Received:
    19
    I think it was because Jeremy was still working his way back from his injury and didn't have his legs back. His outside shot, elevation at the rim, everything is better now.
     
  18. EarlIII

    EarlIII Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2012
    Messages:
    679
    Likes Received:
    23
    The dunk against the wizards?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiwSUxszuN0

    It wasn't as empathic. It looks like he struggled to get that dunk compared to the dunk last night. And he was also closer to the rim. He had higher elevation in the dunk last night.
     
  19. Calmwater

    Calmwater Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2013
    Messages:
    240
    Likes Received:
    2
  20. LosPollosHermanos

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2009
    Messages:
    29,968
    Likes Received:
    13,986
    Lowry has been playing like utter dog **** lately.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now