If Patterson continues to play consistently, would you still want him gone for pick/prospect?

Landry begets Martin. Martin begets Harden.

 

yea, we really need a POWER forward, guy who can rebound well and help inside defensively more than score. A garbage man kind of player.

 

I'd love Josh Smith, he can play both forward spots and he is better at everything than Patterson ever will be. Also, 27 might be old by Rockets standards this year, but we aren't exactly talking about an AARP member.

 

I don't think Parsons is untradeable... His contract isn't going to last forever and a solid player he is but an elite player status or All Star status he may never reach.

He has the most trade value on the team and upgrading the small forward position with an elite player would do just as much good as adding a big name power forward. Deng for example would be a 20 point a game player in this offense and he's a lock down perimeter defender.

I wouldn't mind having an elite small forward like him over one of the big name power forwards the Rockets have been rumored to have trade interest in.

 

Well, we might already have that 3d piece on the roster (Parsons or Lin both have the potential to develope into an all-star). And usually getting the 3d piece is way easier than getting the first or second piece.

Guys like Love or Aldridge basically never become available for a team like us. We might luck out on a guy like Bosh if Miami needs to ship him out for cap reasons.

Patterson doesn`t seem to be the answer - and after looking at our starting 5 he seems to clearly be the weakest player. So let`s try to upgrade here if no star at any other position falls in our laps.

 

I would let Patterson finish out the season as the starter and trade away Morris at the deadline. Patterson is making his 3s regularly now, and it seems he is getting much more agressive on offense with dunks and occasional post move. Morris doesn't offer anything Patterson can't do besides fade aways, and he manages to get even less rebounds however that is possible. Then let D-Mo and Jones fight for backup, and winner gets the starting spot next year, seeing that no big free agent signing happens.

 

We need a better post defender at the 4

 

Before long Parsons could be a 18pt 7 rebs, 5assist, 2 steal .5 block guy - and a lock down defender. He actually is already close to that. Of course he is not untradeable, but I would only trade him for a star. Let`s say Paul George.

His contract has 3 more years if I remember correctly. That`s like an eternity. A long time left where we could trade him or even sign him to a new contract.

 

He might not be all that bulky now, but he's a 7 footer with crazy quickness and post moves. I'd bet if given significant minutes he'd be a better rebounder than Patterson right now.

 

deff trade him.

 

5 yrs....down the line.

 

Morris isn't a tweener he is a small forward period and they play him out of position.

But I get what you're saying.

 

On some nights Parsons looks like he can be an 18 point a game player but on most nights he looks to be what he is which is a 14 ppg solid role player.

And George would be great but Indiana would be crazy to trade him. I think Deng is a star player and Chicago would probably be willing to part with his contract for Parsons contract.

But I do also think the Rockets would be a good team if they just upgrade the bench.

 

+1 to everybody who likes 2Pat as a bench PF, but not a starter. I still think the 4 is the best spot to get an all star power forward.

 

Landry -> Martin -> Harden

 

It's important to remember that Daryl Morey is not sentimental, at all. He views (as well he should) his players as assets. All teams view players as assets. Morey also recognizes that a first round pick, even a heavily protected first round pick, is a more valuable asset in the market than a year and a half's worth of Patrick Patterson along with Patterson's Larry Bird Rights, i.e., the right to overpay Patterson when he becomes a restricted free agent in the summer of 2014. The reason why Houston was in a better position than any other team to acquire James Harden when Harden became available is precisely because Morey's primary focus is on accumulating assets. When a Harden becomes available, and you have more assets to offer than anybody else, then you are the team that winds up with the guy, if you want him.

Morey also recognizes, thanks to his organization's focus on statistical analysis, that if the team were to replace Patterson in the starting lineup with Marcus Morris, or even with Donatas Motiejunas or Terrence Jones, that the impact on the team's W-L record will be virtually non-existent. Patterson is not an impact player. He's not terrible, but he's nothing special. If you can get the same (or very, very close to the same) result with a younger, cheaper player (e.g., Motiejunas, Jones) than you get with Patterson, then the rational move is obviously to trade Patterson for a first round pick. Same goes with Marcus Morris, who I think Houston would happily accept a second round pick that Houston anticipates will be a fairly high second round pick (i.e., a pick belonging to a team that isn't very good).

Why is a draft pick more valuable than Patterson? Well, first of all, a draft pick represents hope; there is this "What's behind Door #1?" aspect to it. But mostly a first round pick means that you have a player under team (and cost) control for four full years. Right now, Patterson is only under team control for another year and a half. Four years of a player who will hopefully be a useful player is obviously far more valuable than a year and a half of a useful player.

Another point that many fans don't seem to understand is that what gets most teams into trouble is not giving large max or near-max contracts to star players. Star players are typically going to earn a big paycheck. What gets teams into trouble is paying $4-$5 mil/year here and there to role players (such as Patrick Patterson). Those sorts of contracts add up. And Morey understands that you can fairly easily find a Patterson-caliber role player for cheap, either in the draft (even in the second round), on the free agency scrap heap (e.g., Carlos Delfino), in the undrafted player pile (e.g., Greg Smith), or even playing overseas (e.g., Patrick Beverly). There are also guys who get traded away for next to nothing during the summer by teams that are looking to clear cap space. Toney Douglas is such a player; the Knicks valued him at less than zero, and so the Rockets added a useful (and relatively cheap) player for free. The bottom line is that it is absolutely idiotic to pay $4-$5+ mil/year for a player such as, say, Steve Blake, when you can fairly easily find a Steve Blake-caliber player who is willing to play for the league minimum.

In other words, Houston is very confident in its ability to find a comparable (and probably cheaper) replacement for Patterson, and will jump at the opportunity to convert Patterson (and/or Morris) into a draft pick.

We may not see Houston move Patterson and/or Morris for draft picks. Another possibility is that Houston acquires a better "power forward" (I use quotation marks because Houston appears to want what we call a "stretch four" at this spot), and I would imagine that any such trade would involve Patrick Patterson sent packing, and very possibly Marcus Morris, as well. For example, if Houston could turn Patterson, Morris, and an expiring contract (presumably Cole Aldrich) for either Marcin Gortat (who would start at "power forward" for Houston) or Ersan Ilyasova, I have to think that Morey would be all over that. Also, replacing Patterson's and Morris' 2013-14 contracts with Gortat's or Ilyasova's contract has a negligible impact (less than $3 mil) on the team's 2013 cap space. Obviously Gortat and Ilyasova are much better basketball player than either Patterson or Morris, and the team will not miss a beat by replacing Morris in the rotation with either Motiejunas or Jones (probably Motiejunas).

 

2Pat is a keeper since he is almost elite at taking mid-range shots. On the other hand, since the glut of PF will have to be thinned, I say trade Morris and T-jones for whatever can be recovered back. D-Mo is also a keeper for the simple fact that a skilled low-post legit 7-footer is a very rare commodity in the current NBA.

 

I think T Jones is the keeper. That's why Morey is letting him develop in the D league and getting ready for next season and D-Mo is rotten away on the bench.

 

Why is everyone hating on Morris???? I think he has improved a lot this year I really like how he has hit some big 3 pointers