Sampson and Dream, yes no brainers, but this was YEARS ago when every pick was more or less a no brainer. Kids were in college at least 3 years, you knew what you were getting. Yao was FAR from a no brainer. Many people said Jay Williams was the best player in that draft (hell he might have been had he not gotten hurt).
bwbhwbawhawhbwhahb Jay Williams? You wanna know a NO NO-BRAINER great pick: it was by Cleveland: Kyrie Irving. Or when Sam Presti took Russell Westbrook
Those were examples of NON no-brainer picks. YAO on the other hand was an iron-clad no-brainer pick. My point being that show me an example of when the rockets ever took a guy like Kryie Irving or Westbrook with your high picks. Your best non #1 picks have been: Murphy, Rudy, Horry, Cassell and Mcray. And really, Murphy and Cassell when the only players that exceeded their draft position.
Uh...He was 9-25 for 23 points. I know you like to play barbershop LeBron on the internet but you don't need a slide rule to realize that sucks. I watched the last few minutes and it crystallizes our arguments perfectly. You are in love with Rudy Gay because he in turn loves the worstest shot in basketball- the two dribble pull up 19 footer. Indiana- wisely- gave it to him down the stretch and he missed all except the last one- which of course they wanted him to take. Thems the breaks but in a war between 66 and 33 they were right to take former. Kwame do you ever wonder why you only surface in a gay thread once every few weeks?
The Rockets haven't had a ton of high draft picks. I mean, to have one of the top handful of picks you probably have to win less than 40% of your games. That's rarely happened for the Rockets in recent memory (in fact, just once since 1983-84). By contrast, the Grizzlies won less than 40% of their games 11 times in their young history. Now, are you arguing that the Grizzlies did just as good a job with their high draft picks as the Rockets (leaving aside the number 1s)?
Well, IF I were to JUDGE objectively, I would give the rockets a pass in the late eighties to the mid-nineties, because frankly the talent was bad across the board. But, yeah, the grizzlies have done more with their picks than the rockets for a while. The only players of real substance the rockets have had were Yao and Parsons. I really can't think of anybody else.
What do you mean by "done more with their picks"? Are you adjusting for the fact that your picks have regularly been high lottery picks? When comparing the draft record of the two teams, its obviously not enough to just look at how good were the players that were drafted. It has to be how good they were relative to expected value of the pick itself. On that basis, you still want to argue that the Grizzlies have done a better job?
Carl Landry Chase Budinger Patrick Patterson Aaronn Brooks Cuttino Mobley Rockets have traded away a lot of their 1st rounders. The Grizzlies best draft pick might be Shane Battier.
Yao was not a no brainer. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=18799&highlight=ming http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=33224&highlight=ming Kyrie Irving was believed to be the #1 pick. They just didn't feel the draft had a true #1 guy. It has been 30 years since we had a Top 5 pick that wasn't #1 overall... In that time we've had one other top 10 pick (Rudy Gay) who of course was traded to Memphis for their former #6 pick, Shane Battier.
Yep, Kyrie was the consensus #1 pick; Bill Simmons was basically the only guy who thought Derrick Williams even had a case for being the better talent. Shows how biased ‘what’ is and that he’ll grasp at anything when it comes to trashing the Rockets. IDK why durvasa thought he could get a reasonable answer from someone that thinks Rudy Gay is on Durant’s level and James Harden is on Battier’s level...
Westbrook a no-brainer? gtfo... what is either trolling or stupid. WB was considered a raw, athletic defensive stopper, but no one knew if he'd be able to develop. Next he's going to say Harden and Durant were considered no-brainers. Spoiler Kidding about the Durant thing... sorry, Portland.
Why don't you tell me where the grizzlies went wrong? In 2000, the grizzlies had the #2 pick in a draft that literally had 1 good player in it: Kenyon Martin. Did the grizzlies get value for that pick? No. But, lets be real that #2 pick might as well been the equivalent of the #25 pick in a good draft. Other than that, you could probably point to two other drafts: 2008, 2009. The grizzlies screwed up in 2009, this was an epic screw up taking Hasheem Thabeet, but there are good reasons the grizzlies made that move. In 2008, the grizzlies traded Kevin Love for OJ Mayo. While, this was a bad move in hindsight, IT isn't a ridiculous oversight, even today. Mayo is still a pretty darn good player. By contrast, the grizzlies have picked up, Pau Gasol, Rudy Gay, Mike Conley, Kyle Lowry, Hakim Warrick, Shane Battier and all of this without the benefit of a #1 or #2 pick in the draft. These were #3 picks or lower. You can really criticize the grizzlies drafts with a straight face DURVASA?
so is spelling! Yeah, it probably wold have helped if I had continued reading further down after reading that post. My bad, what!
Kyle Lowry who they basically got nothing for, but the Rockets got a Lottery pick for? Pau Gasol and Rudy Gay that they traded for the rights to? Mike Conley? lol Hakim Warrick? lol What did they do with their own damn picks?
Other than Yao, Mike Conley is a better player than any player the rockets have drafted since Sam Cassell. Pretty Sobering. And most people that actually KNOW basketball will tell you how good Mike Conley is as a player. The fact that you LOL, tells me all I need to know. Warrick was drafted 19 and has had a 10 year nba career. Pretty good value at that spot.
I'm not saying Warrick was bad value, but you said the Rockets haven't drafted anyone, yet plenty of guys have been as good as Warrick. Even Luther Head managed an 8 year career as the 24th pick. Nobody called Conley a bad player or even a bad pick, but he is nothing special for a 4th overall pick. Conley isn't better than Yao Ming. Conley isn't better than Cuttino Mobley.
