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Jeremy Lin's upside

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by meh, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. tallanvor

    tallanvor Member

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    Steve Nash and Deron Williams didn't start their rookie years.....

    You should be using per 48 minute stats not per game stats. Rookies play a wide variety of minutes. The stats you posted are meaningless.

    Also JLins benefits from playing on a n extremely fast paced team last year and the fastest paced team in the league this year. That greatly exaggerates offensive statistics. So instead of per 48 minutes stats, you should use per possession stats.
     
  2. Comic Book Nerd

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    Well then we'll see next year right? And if he does then our team could be a title contender, right? Is there something wrong with that?

    No one knows for sure, right? So does it hurt to be optimistic if the statistics seem to lean that way?
     
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    Which is why I labelled them as Year 1, and Year 11 and so on.

    And Lin didn't start his rookie year either (he didn't even really play) and his second year he didn't start and was cut short by injury.

    Thus why I took the time to compile the stats here and try to lay it out for review.

    So you skimmed my post and your observations are pointless. You are now on my ignore list.
     
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    Hahaha I love that movie.
     
  5. tallanvor

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    You can label whatever you want. You still aren't addressing playing time and pace. Instead of averaging Lin's 2nd and 3rd year, try doing per possession stats.

    I skimmed your post and realized you used per game stats.......

    I decided to not waste any more time since you clearly don't have a basic grasp on statistical analysis. Use per possession stats next time, it would be more meaningful.
     
  6. Comic Book Nerd

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    Never said his 30 games didn't exist. It's just that Lin has literally not played enough games yet to fill out an entire season. So thus I combined 2&3 and averaged.

    As it says in the post.

    Yeah, this makes me want to expend effort in this forum in the future.
     
  7. tor.rocks

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    Greivis Vasquez has really exploded this year.

    You can't do that. You already made a good point showing his year 2 and 3 progress. There wasn't even a need to combine anything to say anything about a rookie season. The guy is already progressing at an incredible rate that makes the haters jealous. Learning the lefty, being a better defender, and lowering his t/o's.

    Also no. Baron Davis hand elite handles. The guy had some amazing moves. Only the stats look similar. You have to look beyond the stats man. Lin is more of a Tony Parker and Steve nash type of player, IMO. I think Lin has the better cross over of the two. Mentally, Lin is getting crushed by all the expectations. That's probably his biggest weakness right now. I don't think he can handle the pressure of all the insane fans he got from Linsanity.

    Dwill has been over hyped because he went to NY.
     
  8. Comic Book Nerd

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    Wow. Way to be unsociable and hostile. I'm sure everyone here loves your sunny disposition and contributions as well as your willingness to encourage participation and fun.

    Forget the above sentence. Let me put it in a way you'll understand.

    You are the device that women use to clean out their vaginal cavity that involves use of a small plastic bag and vinnegar-like fluids. Yes, you are a douche bag.
     
  9. pnr

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    His fans' expectations are what is making the GARM pretty unreadable these days. The LOHs think he's the worst starter on the team yet expect him to put up 18/8 every game, while the LOFs try to make excuses for his play when he has a bad game and they also have rly high expectations from him. He has less than 3000 min playing time in the NBA and hasn't started a full season yet, he is bound to be inconsistent. Next year if he is still inconsistent, then people can probably start saying he is not worth his contract, yada yada.
     
  10. Comic Book Nerd

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    And here's an example of excellent feedback of my post, with opinions and corrections and without being rude or antagonizing.

    Thanks. I will totally take what you responded in mind the next time I decide to post something. I guess I need to do a bit more home work.
     
  11. tallanvor

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    unsociable? You just said you put me on ignore. That's the very definition of unsociable.

    That begs the question why/how you are responding to me. I must not be on your ignore list.

    Hey that seems pretty hostile.

    I politely told you that you are using the wrong stats and you put me on ignore. Get some thicker skin.
     
  12. tor.rocks

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    Woah woah. That's going to far man.

    But 95% of these people will tell you do their work for them. Most people on these boards won't look at the stats or doing any of that sort. They will just say this and that.

    You need to clam down, because you'll be an easy troll target.
     
  13. flamingdts

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    I would love to see who these "LOHs" are that are saying this.
     
  14. meh

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    What you're missing is that most young players who come into the NBA don't get a lot of playing time at first. Lin is not the exception. Chris Pauls or the world are exceptions. Lin is the norm. You are basically taking what's norm for a 2nd/3rd year player, and perceive him to be the exception.

    I assume you're not a long time NBA fan, so I'll make a analogy with math students. Suppose at a school they teach Algebra in 8th grade for normal students. An 8th grade student gets an A in the class. But there's this kid who skipped 2 grades and is also in Algebra, and he also gets an A in class. The kid who skipped 2 grades and the normal kid are not comparable, even if they have the same grade.

    Jeremy Lin is that normal kid who goes through his 4 years of college, sits on the bench for a season or two in the NBA, and develops into a PG. Chris Paul is the kid who skipped most of college, straight to the NBA, and started at the very beginning without going through the normal preparations. To even begin to think they're comparable is, quite frankly, ridiculous.
     
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    I expect him to put up around 18/8. We are the fastest paced team in the league by a mile. Every player's offensive stats should be greatly exaggerated.
     
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    I'm referring to posters who claim that shooting 5/8 from three point land and averaging 20+ points and 9+ assists per game will make him worth his 8 mill contract. Those people need to gain some perspective on market value and I have to conclude have some major expectations from him.
     
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    Do you hate Lin and think he is the worse starter?
     
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    LOF = Lin only fan
    LOH = Harden only love

    Whoever do the argments, they can be labeled one of them.
     
  19. tallanvor

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    No, that would be PitPat. If the Rockets played at a normal pace I would expect Lin to get around 14 ppg and 6 apg (not unreasonable for a 2nd yr. starter). Since we play at a super fast pace I expect around 18/8.
     
  20. flamingdts

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    First of all, as far as I'm aware. It's the LOFs who make these ridiculous assertions of Lin's "potential". They compare him to legit all-stars, thus if one were to do that, then 18/8 stats are nothing if he really had that "potential".

    Second, there are not a lot of people who think he needs to put up these stats to be worth his contract. And even if they do, that doesn't make them a LOH.

    I see, so you are not on of those rare LOHs creatures I hear so much about, but never see.
     

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