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How many extra games could the Rockets have won so far?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Ultimate6thMan, Feb 6, 2013.

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How many extra wins with better substitutions and rotations?

  1. None - we are just a young team and McHale always makes the best decisions.

    41 vote(s)
    16.9%

  2. 1 - even with better substitutions and rotations, we would still lose

    18 vote(s)
    7.4%

  3. 2 - we would be doing better

    17 vote(s)
    7.0%

  4. 3 - Can you name them?

    27 vote(s)
    11.2%

  5. 4 - Which games do you think we would have won?

    26 vote(s)
    10.7%

  6. 5 - Our coach has really hurt our team.

    40 vote(s)
    16.5%

  7. 6 - The coach hurts our team more than the players ability

    13 vote(s)
    5.4%

  8. 7 - We are much better than our record.

    13 vote(s)
    5.4%

  9. 8 - McHale is clueless

    16 vote(s)
    6.6%

  10. 9 or more - FIRE MCFAIL

    31 vote(s)
    12.8%
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  1. Haymitch

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    Woah there buddy. Get out of here with that "let's be reasonable" stuff. We should win every game. If we don't, it's because of McHale's substitutions and play calls. No other reason. Disappointing game from some key players? McHale's fault. Missing a key player to injury? Still McHale's fault.
     
    #21 Haymitch, Feb 6, 2013
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    #22 meh, Feb 6, 2013
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  3. fattz

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    He was hired before the Harden trade that putt us two years futher along in the rebuild which shows all the holes in McHale's coaching --> tank - draft. The front office knows what they have in him. When team rebuilds the coach is the last piece not the first.
     
    #23 fattz, Feb 6, 2013
  4. Ultimate6thMan

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    LOL, I see your point, but the last two links are not the same question in the original post points.

    Again, I'm obviously not saying that substitution patterns and rotations would make us win every game or most of the games that we have lost, but when whether you make the playoffs or not could come down to 2 or 3 games, I think it makes a difference when a coach won't play his best players without good cause.

    I remember one game when he would'nt lay Asik in the 4th and we missed a rebound on a free throw that cost us that game possibly. Just some stupid decisions sometimes...not that the players don't make many stupid decisions on the court as well all the time.

    If I did a poll for players the same way, I'm sure it would be valid to say that there are times when certain players cost us a game. It's also valid for a coach, they are not immune.
     
    #24 Ultimate6thMan, Feb 6, 2013
  5. mvpcrossxover

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    all of them! what kind of question is this? :confused:
     
    #25 mvpcrossxover, Feb 6, 2013
  6. Ultimate6thMan

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    So far, almost 80% of Clutchfan members think we would be winning more games just with better substitutions and rotations alone.

    That's not mentioning any other coaching strategy or philosophy at all. Just basic play your best players at reasonable times and reasonable minutes, etc.
     
    #26 Ultimate6thMan, Feb 6, 2013
  7. Patterned919

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    Yeah and 16 of them think 9 or more games. Meaning they think we would have a better record than the Clippers at the bare minimum.

    It's a joke, just because people voted one way doesn't mean anything.

    The entire premise of the poll is stupid, as if the team couldn't get worse. This team could have easily been out of the playoffs, talking about how "We're young. We just put this team together. We need time to gel. Harden,Lin, and Asik are all new to the team. Look at how OKC grew, they sucked their first two seasons! Give us time!"
     
    #27 Patterned919, Feb 6, 2013
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    To clarify, couldn't get worse doing what you think is "better" substitutions.
     
    #28 Patterned919, Feb 6, 2013
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    Nevermind read the poll wrong :p , it's still an unfair poll.
     
    #29 Patterned919, Feb 6, 2013
  10. jocar

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    Not sure, but **** Mark Jackson
     
    #30 jocar, Feb 6, 2013
  11. PuzzledFan

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    None of these options is very good. "Bias" comes to mind.
     
    #31 PuzzledFan, Feb 6, 2013
  12. Pieman2005

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    Who is voting 9 or more? Homerism is a beautiful thing
     
    #32 Pieman2005, Feb 6, 2013
  13. durvasa

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    Its easy to go through all all the games we lost and say in retrospect we should have won this game or that game with different in-game decisions. You think much too highly about the quality of players on our roster. 6 more wins means we'd be 33-18. So a 53 win pace for a team that was projected by most experts to be well below .500 this year. Seriously?
     
    #33 durvasa, Feb 6, 2013
  14. BEAT LA

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    If people stopped betting on Lin scoring more than 12 points and 6 assists maybe Stern would give him some calls.
     
    #34 BEAT LA, Feb 6, 2013
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    If the NBA wasn't f***ing us over with too many back-to-backs:

    Two more
     
    #35 OremLK, Feb 6, 2013
  16. Ultimate6thMan

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    Yes, I meantioned that in another post that we would be at 33-18 which would put us up in the upper escelon of the western conference.

    These are some of the games I think we should have won, but lost mostly due to in game and/or late game coaching decisions by McHale and staff:

    2/6 Miami 108 - 114
    1/30 Denver 110 - 118
    1/15 Dallas 100 - 105
    1/12 Philly 100 - 107
    12/10 San Antonio 124 - 126
    11/19 Portland 117 - 119

    Regardless of what we were projected before or after the Harden trade, this is where we could be right now. Actually, if you think about it, according to what I'm saying, if the coaching staff just did better substitutions and rotations, they would be considered the hands down favorite to win McHale Coach of the Year.

    So I am not saying that he completely sucks once you analyze it completely, but his substitution and rotation patterns makes it appear that he does because most average fans can see that the team is actually doing better when our best players are playing.

    So YES....SERIOUSLY...cause I could actually think of one or two more games.
     
    #36 Ultimate6thMan, Feb 7, 2013
  17. cheshire

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    Rockets could be the all-time NBA leader in moral victories. The only medicine I'll accept are a couple championships to go with the mid-90's titles.
     
    #37 cheshire, Feb 7, 2013
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    Both games against Portland- 2 OT loses at the beg. of season, we are playing much better now.
    First Miami game
    Dallas and San Antonio games @ home- Horrible coaching by McHale
    Denver game on the road last week
    New Orleans game on the road when we completely collapsed in the 4th quarter and it started the 7 game losing streak
    Dallas game that was on ESPN
     
    #38 tmac2therack, Feb 7, 2013
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    The 2 Portland game and Dallas games, benching Lin, there were several more benching. Denver game, weird substitution. The 7 game losing streak where we played Iso balls. So that's 7 + the few I just mentioned means more than 9!
     
    #39 glacier921, Feb 7, 2013
  20. durvasa

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    This really only matters in close games that we lost. But the thing about close games is luck plays a huge role. So just because McHale makes different substitutions that doesn't mean we would have won them. How can you say that we "should" have beaten the Heat, on the road. That's just silly.

    And, by the way, the Rockets have played the least close games of any team in the league.
     
    #40 durvasa, Feb 7, 2013
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