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Jeremy Lin's upside

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by meh, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. AVP

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    So I guess this thread turned into the new Jeremy Lin is a joke thread, even after a 28/9 performance. For some the hate will never end.
     
  2. Jedster

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    Thanks for the explanation. I appreciate it.
    The thing is though, while you are perfectly reasonable the way you said it, there are people who say that he's not producing the numbers worthy of an $8 million man.
    So it feels like a personal attack on him to say he's not worth the money, which I thought was unfair given that he isn't paid that money.

    But whatever, like everything else in here, people just spin in the way they like.
     
  3. kaitanuva

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    Some nights he's worth 12m. Others he's worth 3m.
     
  4. Hous-TO-n

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    Some night he was used as a spot up shooter, some night he was used as a pg
     
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    :grin: Someone has to get his/her brain be check by doctors.
     
  6. kaitanuva

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    Geez, I can see why theres a million arguments in here. No, look at the Bobcats game, its a great example. First half he's worth 12m, second half 3m.
     
  7. Hous-TO-n

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    He was called up on court and off for 9 times.
    It is simply ridiculous
     
  8. oldgunrules

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    jordnnnn, I'm afaid you are the one not getting it. Let's just say if Lin gets traded at the end of this season, would the Rockets pay his new team $3 mil to make up that $8 mil/year cap? If the answer is no, then isn't $5 mil the actual amount the Rockets are paying him?
     
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    http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/rockets.jsp
     
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    People need to stop being confused about this.

    The 24 million is spread out between 3 years.

    The Rockets pay him 8.33 million each year.

    This has been discussed ad nauseum.
     
  12. Roxs

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    To me, what's interesting here is that, Jeremy Lin, a starter for less than 82 games, has formulated deep seeded opinions in the minds of just about everyone.

    The statement, he could be a top 5 guard in the league one day, on the level of Nash, Parker and CP3, is at least as true as he could be out of the league in 5 years. There is just not enough data to prove or disprove these statements with any sort of conviction.

    As a stats person, I find Jeremy Lin to be a very interesting statistical anomaly, making him very hard to project. I say this because of the career path he's had and how different it was compared to most rookies coming into the league, among many other numerous things that makes him different from other NBA guards in the league. So I don't know how people can be so convinced one way or another where Jeremy Lin will be 3, 5, or 10 years from now.
     
  13. tor.rocks

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    There isn't any confusion. Maybe some ill informed fans, but as any hard working person knows, what you get paid, what you get paid. And he is getting paid 5 million. Which is what I disagree on with roxbox. He was saying the guy was playing like a 5 million dollar player. Which he is.

    Doesn't matter though. I think Jeremy will go off in the 2nd half of the season. I'm predicting 16 points, and 7 assists by the end.

    Also this is not true. You aren't holding on to the extra 3 million. Lin will be paid out like this, 5/5/15 regardless.

    All I was arguing again, was that you said (roxbox) he was playing like a 5 million dollar player.
     
  14. jordnnnn

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    I'm referencing our cap numbers. Notice how it says 8.374 million next to Lin for all 3 seasons?

    It is true that in real money going to Lin's pocket will only be 5 or so million for the 1st 2 years and 15 million in his 3rd year, but those numbers do not concern us one single bit as far as putting a team together.

    8.374 Million is what he counts towards our cap every single year. So the 1st 2 years we are actually at a small disadvantage in that we are paying him only 5 million but he is counted as an 8.374 million dollar player, but in the 3rd year it is pretty advantageous to us. In that 3rd year even though he will be getting paid 15 million he will only count as an 8.374 million dollar player towards our cap figure.

    In the NBA world salary cap figure is what matters. Not the actual dollar amount going to Lin's pocket. This is not hard to grasp.

    The Cap is around 58 million. Every single year of his 3 year deal he counts as 8.374 million of our available 58 million. It will never count as 5 million or 15 million, those numbers mean nothing to us.
     
  15. oldgunrules

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    That's not exactly what the team is paying the players. Why are Lin and Asil's contracts called "backloaded contract"? Can you answer the trade question? If he is traded after this season, will the Rockets have to pay him the extra $3 mil?
     
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    Agreed, all of you saying we're paying him 5 million a year are ill informed fans.

    Lin's contract counts as 8.33 million towards the salary cap.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8180998/nba-jeremy-lin-six-degrees-separation-poison-pill
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    All of you who called jordnnnn/others ill informed or mistaken or otherwise owe him an apology.
     
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    I don't get why people have hard time understanding this. Lin and Asik ARE paid 5/5/15 regardless how much of their salary is counted towards the cap or luxury tax, or whatever. If the salary cap is not hampering the signing other players which is the case with Rockets now, it doesn't matter if Lin's or Asik's salary counts gazillion dollars towards salary cap. And also it's Morey's job to manage the salary cap.

     
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    Uhm what? :confused:

    Your post is just wtf.
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    The only thing that matters is the number counted against the salary cap. Who the hell cares what is actually going into Lin or Asik's pockets every year? That's Les Alexander's issue.

    The only thing that matters as far as roster and personnel moves is salary cap.

    You realize that having an $8 million per year player is significantly different in terms of flexibility than having a 5 million per year player, right?
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    Regardless it doesn't matter. Point is, all of you saying he's only getting paid 5 million a year are flat out wrong.
     
  19. Calmwater

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    Point is getting paid 5 million a year and counted as 8,33 million in cap space are totally different things.

    So I believe your statement is somehow misleading, JL is getting paid 5 million year 1-2, but will count in cap space as 8,33 miillion. So in essential both statements are equally true
     
  20. TC777JLIN168

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    :confused:;):confused::confused: all of you saying Lin is getting 8 mils a year either have a double standard (by not doing the same to other players), or do not know what "salary" means.

    How much are you being paid a year? Are you taking your year 3 salary increase and add that to your income this year when you do your taxes?
     

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