Honestly I thought this conversation was over like a week ago. We came to an agreement on one of his points. And then he randomly posted again last night challenging me on the thing that we had already came to a consensus on. I was like this can't be life why are we starting this all over again when we came to a consensus.
They do sag off on Lin a fair bit, but a significant part of it is his elite driving ability. It's the same reason they sag off Harden. At least when they sag they have a chance to contest a 3. If they let Harden and Lin drive all night long, the Rockets will shoot wide open uncontested threes (which are Massively worse as the Warriors and Utah can confirm). That said, the ability to shoot the 3 helps in terms of driving. They'll still sag off Lin and Harden to reduce driving, it just might be a half step closer when they're shooting the 3 well.
Right now Lin is overpaid for sure based strictly on production on the court but he is improving so he won't be overpaid for long. On the flip side there are PGs like Monta Chucker Ellis that are paid more than Lin but are inferior. Ellis is a detriment to the Bucks with his extremely low efficiency high volume shooting and he doesn't play a lick of defense. There are other PGs that I would say are inferior to Lin that get paid around the same like Mo Williams. Overall, Lin is a tad overpaid. There are more PGs that get a bit more production that are paid less than there are PGs that are inferior or around the same that get paid more but like I said as long as he continues to improve this won't be a problem.
The Rockets should look for trade partners if Lin keeps this up. They need the cap space this offseason.
Isn't it strange how it feels as if they are doing so much better but they're not even though there in much better positions to do so.
lol! 28/9 on 5/8 shooting from 3 is worth 8 mil to you? Let's get more of these 8 million dollar superstars!
I'm just curious, have you read the book that you linked to in your sig? This one: http://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Stati...62&sr=8-1&keywords=how+to+lie+with+statistics Because I have. It was part of a course I had to take on the way to my Masters in Statistics. The irony of that book is that stat's don't lie. They can be sensationalized, just like how the title of the book is sensationalized to possibly attract more buyers. The fact of the matter is that stats are just numbers or tools. By definition, they can't lie. Humans, on the other hand, can lie. And in sports arguments, humans tend to use stats as a tool to help them lie. The problem that I have with your argument about Lin being overpaid is that your focusing one aspect of Lin's game. His 3-point shooting. Because you feel that he's not a good enough 3-point shooter, he's being overpaid. This obviously negates his other contributions on the court. Namely, his 12.5 points and 6.2 assists per game not mention his 3rd in the league in steals and top 10 rebounding among PGs. Anyway, let's just focus on stats relative to performance. These are the 11 guards in the NBA that qualify for the minutes leaderboard, have at least 12 pts/g, 6 ast/g, and 3 reb/g, their salaries, and win share totals, and finally their cost/win share: Chris Paul $17.8M, 7.8 WS, $2.3M/WS Russell Westbrook $13.7M, 6.5 $2.1M/WS Stephen Curry $4M, 5.5 WS, $.72M/WS Deron Williams $17.2M, 5.2 WS, $3.3M/WS Damian Lillard $3.1M, 3.8 WS, $.8M/WS Brandon Jennings $3.2M, 3.8, WS $.8M/WS Rajon Rondo $11M, 3.2 WS, $3.4M/WS Jrue Holiday $2.7M, 3.1 WS, $.9M/WS Jeremy Lin $8.3M, 3.1 WS, $2.7M/WS Jameer Nelson $8.6M, 2.3 WS, $3.8/WS Greivis Vasquez $1.1M, 1.8WS, $.6M/WS Of then, Lin avgs the least minutes which is a factor when you look at counting stats. Also, Win Share is a counting stat. The more you play, the more you can contribute to your win share totals. What the list of numbers above is telling you is that, on a salary relative to performance level, Lin is the same tier as CP3 and Westbrook. Would it be better to have Curry, Lillard, or Holiday, sure (would love them in fact), especially since they're cheaper. Unfortunately, players aren't fluid commodities that you can just buy/take. Rookie salaries are depressed as designed by the CBA, so this is an artificial marketplace and you cannot leave that out when you talk about NBA salaries and who's overpaid and who's not.
You mean like Rondo, or Wall, or Monta, or Dragic? If he can shoot 3s in addition to penetrating and passing and playing defense at his level with less than a year's worth of games.... nah forget it. I don't think you actually know the market value of free agents at all and you are letting your friends who hate Lin convince you how over paid and over rated he is.
Response What you posted is reasonable. Add to that Lin's off-court ability to bring additional revenue to the Rockets, he's not getting overpaid at all.
Response If Lin plays every game like he did yesterday, Lin should get paid $15+ Mill per year for sure. Taking into Lin's off-court ability to generate additional revenues, he is not overpaid at all. I would say Lin is under-paid, strictly from business point of view.
Harden is only making 5.82 million this year. Lin and Asik are currently our highest paid players at 8.37 million each. Not taking part in this crazy argument just filling you in.
I know people like to average out the 3 years total salary so that you can say Lin gets paid $8 million/yr. But is it fair? If what I've read about his contract is true, then a couple of things to consider: - The cheques that he is CURRENTLY receiving adds up to $5 million this year. - If he is traded away before year 3, Houston wouldn't have paid him more than $5 million/year, and he's someone else's accounting problem. Say the company you work for gives you a pay raise of 10% a year. This year you make $40,000, next year you will make $44,000, and the year after you will make $48,400. Would you go around telling everyone you make $44,100+ this year? (cos you averaged out your future earnings?)
Oh yeah, also by Year 3, if Lin improves to all star level by then, he may actually be worth the $10 million. But for all intents and purposes, if we are counting the actual money being deposited to his bank account, right now he's putting up numbers pretty good for a $5 million man.
You aren't getting it. Yes, the amount of actual money he is receiving is in the 5 million dollar range. But the amount that counts towards our cap, the only number that matters, is 8.3 million. No one is doing anything unfair to try to make Lin look bad, these are just the facts. This has been spelled out so many times I'm surprised there is still so much confusion among some people.
What he actually gets from Les is irrelevant from a team building standpoint. He counts as 8.3 million towards our cap. I wish he was only counting 5 million towards our cap this year, we would have an extra 3 million to work with, but that's just not the case.
A lot of improvement shooting lately. I know he's going to keep working on it, despite some of his fans saying "HE NEVER NEEDS TO EVER CATCH AND SHOOT." I thought all of us wanted good ball movement? That would entail catch and shooting. And lately in these past couple of games we've had great ball movement, and consequently a lot of catch and shooting, and Jeremy's been making them which is awesome. I think Jeremy has a lot of upside but who knows where he will actually end up. He started this season really rough but it's been getting better. I think it might have had something to do with his surgery not allowing him to get enough practice in during the off season. I think he's close to being worth his salary, and will be worth it and maybe more come next season. But we're talking about the Houston Rockets player, not Jeremy Lin as a person. Nobody cares how much money is in Jeremy's personal bank account. That's not the point. It's about the implications that it has on the team. If the guy up there(and you) are right that his 8 million/per year average salary puts a 8 million weight on the cap space of the team, then 8 million is the number that matters.
