ClutchFans Game Thread: Warriors @ Rockets 2/5/2013

Do you even watch games?

Getting screened with no help or guys hitting long contested jumpers does not = bad defense.

Lin is probably the best defender on this team next to Asik. His defense was what gave the Jazz fits, he's shut down bigger guys at times like Gallo and Kobe and stuffed Josh Smith. He's also stifled many PGs like Teague and Lawson as well as Curry tonight. Just check his advances statistics.

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Best defender for me it's Patterson and Asik, Lin and Parsons are not far behind.

 

Asik is miles ahead of everyone.

 

Yes I agreed, Lin's defensive prowess is often underestimated. Guess some people aren't giving him props for it due to his inconsistency? As for the the penetration, its a given fact that the defender will be at a disadvantage since humans cant move back as fast as moving forward. Finally, I never really saw Calderon run past Lin, most shots I saw him make on Lin were jumpshots.

 

Not really.Asik is the best interior defender, but Pat can defend the paint aswell, but he can step out and cover both the pick and rolls and defend his man off the dribble.

 

Btw, did Delfino feed everyone Manu's sausages? Whats up with these 3's???

 

That can be misinterpreted big time.

 

There's a reason why many fans want Josh Smith on the team because he brings defense, block shots, and rebounds. Jason Friendman posted a stat showing how much the Rockets defense suffers when he's not on the court.

Check out Asiks rebound numbers for the past 5 games.

15 wars
15 bobcats
18 nugs
19 jazz
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Sport Science actually did an analysis on Lin's shooting last year.

They found that Lin's was shooting at 50 degree arc while most other NBA players shot at 48 degrees.

At the beginning of this season, he started to lower his arc, that's why he would hit the front of the rim more this season.

I think he is getting back to the angle he is more comfortable with, and thus the improvements of his 3P% over the last three months from 28% to 44% now.

 

I saw everything I need to know about Lin's defense in the game he hit that buzzer beater against Toronto last year.

For about 3 quarters of the game, Calderon toasted Lin. Perhaps one would think it's Mike D'Antoni's (lack of defense) system. Consider that within the same system, NYK switched Iman on Calderon, which was the turning point of the game. Calderon was contained by Iman which led to the comeback and the eventual game winner.

I've watched Calderon a lot and he's decent offensively, but Lin have been making him look like Mark Price. When your own coach have to switch coverage for you because of your defensive liabilities, then I'd have a hard time coming with an opinion that's contrary.

 

Him not helping as much has more to do with the fact he was on Curry than anything else. It seems the general Rockets philosophy to let him roam and risk PGs taking long jumpers. With Curry, though, you'd be nuts to leave him open.

 

Lin is a much better team defender than 1 on 1 defender. He does seem to have issues with guarding certain types of players - mostly IMO guards who do a lot of change of direction. He guesses too much and gets blown by. But I think he's gotten much better as the season progresses. You really can't expect a young player to be a lights out defender. Shumpert is an elite defender.
Lin does really well against some players, though. His size is really good for a PG and he is quick. Maybe Jason Kidd at his peak could guard anyone at the guard positions, but even someone like CP3 has trouble with certain guards.

 

I posted a long report in the game thread for the second Toronto game, detailing to the second how the Raptors were able to get away with all their moving picks, pushing and holding of Lin, not only by the screener but also other Raptors when they were close by.

I was so furious that all these illegal fouls were not called and that had caused us to lose the game. No one can guard Calderon if he had several other teammates doing the dirty things I mentioned above for him to break free from Lin.

I watch league pass replays of that game several time just to verify who was doing what. You would likely not see them if you just focused on what Calderon was doing, unless you watch closely what's happening around Lin.

I called for McHale's attention hoping he would come up with a team solution.

 

The problem with this is that Calderon is one of the most slowest footed PG in the league, if not the slowest, which is why I bring him up as a barometer, not other PG's who are simply unguardable 1 vs. 1.

 

What you're saying is simply and utterly illogical. So in Lins 6th or 7th game as a starter, you already made up your mind that Lin is a bad defender even though the trademark of Linsanity was defense?? It's irreversible even if he plays great defense here on out?? That's what you call close-minded and judgmental. You don't know that most pg's get switched on defensive assignments? You know that Iman is their defensive stopper, right? Did you know that just in the last few games, the coaches has to switch up Ty with Iggy, that Kemba and Stephen were toasted and burnt all game long? Of course not, your minds already made up.

I'm sorry. If you think that Lin's Dis substandard, you don't know basketball and ill bet that you haven't played organized ball ever! Ill put money on that and if you say otherwise ill call bs cuz defense is an art, and it's clear as day.

Now, does that mean he's not gonna be torched here and there? Of course he is. So does everyone! You, sir, are not seeing things right. For a terrible defender with no handles, no left, no shot, and a f---ton of TOs, he sure must be lucky.

 

Should've bet the over.

 

Just in the last month, slow-footed Calderon put up 22, 21, 17, 15 ,15 ,15 ,15 , 14, 13, etc pt games. Against below average Lin, who Lin has been most egregious on, he's averaging 15. And this is the example of his worst defensive performance?

 

Rockets won!

Be happy people!

 

Your eye test is as reliable as a bag of spuds. Not only you ignored well documented defensive stats, yet your arguments were constructed based on one of the best jump shooting PG who scored most of his points off PnR from 16feet and out in selected games.

 

And I love Shump. But he's gotten tore up multiple times last year and will this year as well. Rondo, too!
Please name these elite pg's who play better defense than Lin. Kyrie? Ty? Wall? Lilliard? Steph? Ty? Jennings? Nash? Name those 20 or so point guards who are so much better on defense than Lin. And remember, dude hasn't even played every team yet. He hasn't even started 82 games!

Dude, he's a young up and coming Rockets' point guard. You shouldn't look down on him so much and think we're doing well in spite of Lin. smh.