Then, we're back to here: How is it manifesting itself? If he lacks the necessary physical tools to be whatever-level QB you think this team needs... why is among the league-leaders in nearly every single passing category four years running...? But there are things Matt Schaub can do that Flacco can't. And as proof: despite Flacco having a better arm, it hasn't translated to better results (until this postseason). Schaub is more accurate, makes better decisions; he throws for more yards and his team scores more points. These are not opinions. We can empirically look at several years of statistics and draw these fairly concrete conclusions.
More outright lies. This simply isn't true. They won't pay Schaub top 10 money until year 3 of his extension, at which point, he'll have either earned it or be gone. They didn't cut a single, solitary player to make room for Matt Schaub. If anything, they created cap space by extending Schaub. Not that you have much to begin with, but you do your creditibility no favors by lying.
How is it manifesting itself? The guy just put together a 117.0 series of games in the playoffs after a 96 last year (0 ints btw), meanwhile the Schaubmobile was up on blocks in the front yard like it was prety much since the first patriots game, garbage time throws vs. Patriots in game 2 notwithstanding. And he's going to Disney world (just like Eli was last year this time...) so it's manifesting itself pretty obviously. [/QUOTE] We can look at several years of statistics; which ones do you think have better predictive value going forward?
Yep; only took him seven playoff games, five of which included a sub-60 QBR (2 were actually sub-20), for him to finally put together back-to-back good playoff games. Do you think his arm got stronger and better? And is it fair to compare Schaub's decidedly limited big game exposure to Flacco's? Flacco did lead in playoff appearances 9-0 before the start of this postseason. Surely you’re not going to hold playing for an inferior team against Schaub? Are you suggesting its these four playoff games? Because he had two really good ones last year, too, and was right back to the precipice of being run out of town a year later. Unless Schaub’s final, bed-messing six games are a harbinger of things to come, he’s previously proven as capable as Joe Flacco and therefore is almost certainly capable of doing what Flacco just accomplished.
No, his decisionmaking probably got better - something you just told us Schaub was naturallly better at....ouch. Capable in terms of "maybe this result will happen to him and he'll get lucky!" Sure...everybody's capable of haviing the stars align in some way at a given time. In this case you prolly want to be tossing Trent Dilfer's name out there. Physically capable of making a 20 yard out throw in the same way as Flacco? Nope.
Better? He hasn't completed 60% of his passes since 2010. He had a great 4-game run; I'm not as quick to assume it's suddenly his standard. Nope. Trent Dilfer is a sub-mediocre QB. How about Joe Flacco?
jesus f'ing christ what has schaub ever shown outside of meaningless regular season games to garner this sort of loyalty???? i just don't get it. maybe you can't spot a loser a mile away but i sure as hell can. what schaub has ROUTINELY DISPLAYED in big game situations isn't something you just grow out of as a 32 year old 9 year veteran. period. he's a pedestrian qb that is capable of putting up above average numbers but never when its needed most. thanks for pointing that out. so you basically have a solid game manager who lacks the physical skills (arm, mobility) and clearly lacks the mental makeup to overcome those shortcomings. awesome. so he needs a top 3 oline and a top 3 receivers and top 3 running game along w a top 3 pass rush and top 3 overall defense and maybe... just maybe... he can take you somewhere. or you can replace him w what is a growing list of qbs that not only have the physicallity but also the mental fortitude to actually lead a team, keep practically every other aspect of this team the same and while you may win less regular season games (meaningless as long as you make the playoffs) you will undoubtedly have a much greater shot at winning it all. this isn't rockets science... put away your stats and look w your eyes.
great post. i too dont understand why texan fans and texan front office is so hesitant to move away from matt schaub. he doesnt have it physically and he even sucks at managing the game. He really doesnt have much to offer. Replacing him really isnt that difficult. Its not as if he set the standard so high that anybody following him would have a rough time reaching it. Just look at the nfl landscape. Teams are winning with rookies left and right. Andy freaking dalton went to two straight back to back playoff apperances in his first two years. Texan fans and texan front office have to realize matt schaub set the bar of mediocrity, not of perpetual mvps, division crowns, league leading offensive stats, and great playmaking. Give yourself a chance to move away from matt schaub. He's very far from irreplaceable. Texans dont even want to try.
I'm sure the Patriots Colts Vikings etc were incredibly cowed by Schaubbys numbers from 2009 when they were busy beating his ass. This really isn't about the past; its about who maximizes your chances going forward. Hint its not the physically limited injury prone older guy who just collapsed in his best chance ever.
Dalton lost to the Texans both years. But seriously, who is available? Maybe they draft someone in the 2nd round.
I take it you're a Rudy Gay fan and love his beautiful looking athleticism? I'm not loyal to Schaub. I just don't think he sucks. I remember the David Carr years. Now THAT was suck. If we stick with Schaub, I think we are still legit Super Bowl contenders. But if we can upgrade at QB without sacrificing too much (don't trade Watt or Cushing), by all means do it.
You are basically self destructing now if you're actually comparing Flacco to Dilfer in any sort of manner. Seriously? Anyway, you are absolutely right in that Flacco has been similar to Schaub in the regular season for the past few years, perhaps worse. But guess what? Things change. Eli Manning was considered overhyped and borderline mediocre before that amazing postseason run five years ago. Big Ben was a "game manager" until his 2 SBs. See, this is what happens for young QBs. They grow. Matt Schaub also had that growth. He improved dramatically from his early days with the Texans, eventually developing into a 4700 yard and 4400 yard passing seasons, and very low TD totals. As the team got better around him since, his yards have came down because of Foster. He still can't throw TDs worth a damn. And now 3 years later, he's still the same few-TD few-INT Schaub. Except now he's 32, can't move as well, and can't throw as well, and now showing he can't handle pressure situations. And we've extend him for the twilight of his career.
If Rudy Gay had just knocked down his stupid midrange jumper at 65-70 percent and been named Finals MVP this might make sense.
really? would flacco score over 40 pts against the patriots since the texans Defense couldnt stop the patriots no huddle plays, with receivers dropping passes like casey? patriots O vs texans D 41 pts. patriots O vs ravens D 13 pts.
Would Schaub be able to go into Mile High and beat Denver in a Playoff game by scoring 38 points including leading his team in a frantic last second long TD by Jacoby Jones? Would Schaub be able to face the vaunted 49ers defense and throw for 3TDs and no interceptions and win super bowl MVP? Matt Fraud is exactly what he is, a game manager.
The point is, Flacco has had how many playoff starts to Schaub? As this pertains to the Texans team and fans we have will see if Schaub can amount to anything meaningful in the post season for the next few years.
It's funny Ravens' fans were talking in a similar fashion about Flacco....just a few months before winning a super bowl. Point is, football is more complicated than how good the QB and if he is elite. Ravens won because their entire team stepped up, including the QB. If the Texans can get that kind of play from the entire team there is no reason why the couldn't win it all.
