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How exactly would YOU distribute our PG minutes anyways??

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by raskol, Feb 3, 2013.

  1. AggNRox

    AggNRox Member

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    no, not at all. if funny, i would be fine with it. neither funny nor meaningful. i am lost. what did you try to accomplish? if bashing 2012ers was only your goal, i think you accomplished nothing but wasted time.
     
  2. loox

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    I think this is actually a very constructive thread -- discussing the rationale of substitutions. The fact that the discussion is about PG position, i.e. focusing on Lin, makes some people upset. I don't understand this sentiment. If some think other players also deserve being discussed, then start a thread on that; no one is going to stop you from doing that.

    The fact that you are not enthusiastic enough about those players to start your own research and thinking on them should not be a reason for you to object to those who are enthusiastic enough about some player on the team to think and write about him.
     
  3. hotballa

    hotballa Contributing Member

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    I think jeremys pt is fine at the current 32-35 range. My issue with mchale is that he has zero sense of rythm and always seems to take our guys out when they get rolling. Not just lin, but asik and others as well.
     
  4. duluth111222

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    Yes, you can call me a LOFH. I have time while running some tests. So sue me... :rolleyes:
     
  5. hotballa

    hotballa Contributing Member

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    Hmm so your point is that all lofs are unable to communicate in proper english? If we had Iverson on the team and ai fans are complaining about his minutes, are you going to mock them by typing in ebonics as well?
     
  6. Steal&Deal

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    Agreed. Also make sure your starters are rested enough they can play the last 9-10 minutes in the 4th Q. Don't keep them out the whole 4th Q because you may have a small lead.
     
  7. dobro1229

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    You think Lin & other's minutes are being mismanaged? Isn't that the point of this thread? But now you want to change direction and start to bash substitution patterns by the way of McHale. You are sort of changing to context of this thread by doing that. So you want to talk about PG minutes distribution, but you still want to gloss over the fact that Lin is still averaging 33 minutes a game.

    Yes, McHale is far from a perfect coach who makes his occasional headscratcher play call, but I have no problem with his minutes distribution over the stretch of the season. 33 minutes a game for Lin, TD 19min over the course of the season, and 15 min per game over the last 10 games(meaning more minutes for Beverly & Lin).

    The point Im trying to make is, I can't and shouldn't be able to tell you when and where X player, or Y player will get those minutes because of the volitility of the position that is the PG position with the Rockets. Its the nature of the fact that you cannot rely on this position yet for consistent play. The coach is still trying to get a feel for what each guy can do consistently every night.

    Minute distributions from the PG position is fine. The stats are right online for the world to see. You just have a problem with WHEN X player or Y player are getting those minutes... Essentially you have a problem with TD getting minutes late in games when you think Lin should be in the game... just admit it instead of trying to skate around minutes distribution please.
     
  8. duluth111222

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    No. I'm chinese myself and my english isn't good enough to begin with. So pls take the race card out of this.
     
  9. hotballa

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    Oh so becaus you claim you are chinese on an internet board, that gives you carte blanche to say something stupid? How many lofs on this board actually even write like that? Far as I can see, most of the lofs we have onboard are american and don't got an issue with engrish.
     
  10. Steal&Deal

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    TD is SCARY at the the end of games... :p
     
  11. Jedster

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    Uh oh, I skipped the arguments but I'll add my minutes to the thread.

    I'm taking it as Guards minutes instead of PG minutes since Douglas can sub in for Harden as well.

    Harden 36 mins
    Lin 32 mins
    Douglas 18 mins
    Beverly 10 mins
    = 96 mins total

    Personally, I would play them this way:
    1st Quarter:
    12:00 - Lin and Harden start
    02:00 - Lin out, Douglas in
    (Harden 12 mins, Lin 10 mins, Douglas 2 mins)

    2nd Quarter:
    12:00 - Harden and Douglas start
    08:00 - Harden out, Lin in
    06:00 - Douglas out, Beverly in
    (Harden 4 mins, Lin 8 mins, Douglas 6 mins, Beverly 6 mins)

    3rd Quarter
    12:00 - Lin and Harden start
    08:00 - Lin out, Douglas in
    04:00 - Harden out, Beverly in
    (Harden 8 mins, Lin 4 mins, Douglas 8 mins, Beverly 4 mins)

    4th Quarter
    12:00 - Harden and Douglas start
    10:00 - Douglas out, Lin in.
    (Harden 12 mins, Lin 10 mins, Douglas 2 mins)
     
  12. duluth111222

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    I don't even know what that means, but whatever. LOL

    If only LOFs can stop saying stupid things, I wouldn't feel the urge to attack them. Eye for an eye...
     
  13. raskol

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    What are you talking about!!! I swear this thread is like a basketball Rorschach test for some of you guys. My first post stated exactly that! McHale keeps him in there nearly the same amount of time that I would, but that he was mismanaging it! I already said many times today alone that Lins minute are fine, it's the mismanagement of those minutes.

    And no I didn't skate around the fact that I don't think TD should ever play over Lin in the fourth barring a very crucial role in the teams solid play. This was all clearly stated in the first as well as probably in most of the posts in this thread!

    What are you talkin about? Did you even read any of my posts? Why do you insist on trying to find negativity when there isn't one? And don't slink away please read the posts again and tell me if it was me or you that was mistaken

    Did I not state that 34 minutes is fine? Did I not say that the issue at hand is the mismanagement of those minutes? Did I skate around and shy away from mentioning that I would play Lin over TD in 4th quarters every time barring very specific and terrific contributions from TD? I don't get any of your points there buddy..
     
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  14. gate470

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    Stop. Hotballa just OWNED you. The OP created a detailed thread with a breakdown of minutes at the PG position, hardly anything stupid. Its pretty obvious you just wanted to troll the thread and bash 2012ers. In the words of dobro1229, just admit it and quit skirting around the issue.
     
  15. AggNRox

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    harden's mins don't look good although overall he only plays 36 mins. i don't like playing him the whole period in 4th period. he doesn't need to start the 4th period. he can be subbed in anytime depending on how rox plays. the more tired, the less efficient he might be.
     
  16. raskol

    raskol Contributing Member

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    So what specific stupid thing has been said on this thread! Lol. This thread should be renamed the Rorschach thread for all intents and purposes. So many angry haters come out bashing and attacking phantom comments and perceived insinuations. For every 1 dumb ignorant comment made on behalf of Lin, ill bet there are at least 10 overly sensitive, condescending negative comment by a Lin hater. Just count on this thread alone how many people are so off with their logic and are defensive just because of a fan supporting one of our players. Lol

    As stated in my first post, I was gonna put up the same arguments for our front court which is an even more pressing matter after rewatching several games and taking notes, but I'll bet dollars to donuts that people won't see some crazy agenda when I start talking about the misuse of our pf/c positions. Shoot, I might even call for a TJones-centric backup plan but ill bet no one will think that it would be presumptuous of me to second guess our all of a sudden favorite coaching staff. Lol. You guys are too much. Do you really not see how blinded you guys are when it comes to the hate for Lin? Its the same in every game thread of every opposing team's as well so you're in good company. You guys can join hands and bash Lin together.
     
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  17. Jedster

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    I see your point about tiredness and inefficiency, but I took into consideration his superstar status and how he might want to take control of the game (especially if he hasn't gotten his points quota by then).

    Harden also rests 4 mins at the end of the 3rd plus the break before the start of the 4th, so I think that's enough rest to give him a full run in the 4th.

    How else could you give him at least 36-40 mins without him playing almost full quarters?
     
  18. dobro1229

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    Sorry if Im confusing you. It seems like the whole thread is about when Lin should get his minutes when the PG & the PF position are probably the most volitile and unpredictable player postion on the team with the most inconsistent play. The point is, its hard to say when and where, when the play is so inconsistent.

    Im also pointing out that late in games seems to be when most people have a problem with the substitution habits from what I am seeing on this thread. It seems like people are finding other things to lump into their displeasure with McHale. Maybe that's not you, but it just seems like every time Lin isn't in the last second of a game, three similar threads gets created like clockwork... along with the "Fire McHale" thread getting resurfaced.
     
  19. Steal&Deal

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    You really don't think McHales substitution patterns for not just Lin but for Asik and Patterson as well are strange? I mean how about the game he yanked Lin with 3 minutes left in the 3rd Q for Beverley and left him out for the remainder of the game? You pull your PG, who is an established NBA starter, for a guy who was playing for a second tier Russian team and has maybe 20 minutes of lifetime NBA experience? Seriously?? Then people complain and they are dubbed "LOF". Only a hater would not question that type of substitution.
     
  20. raskol

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    No, I get what you are saying. But it's just as frustrating to watch what I feel to be bad substitutions that lead to a loss or a potential loss. I guess both sides are quite sensitive on this issue. But one distinction I would like to make is that I'm not advocating that Lin is a star or anything (I do think he potentially could be. And a great one at that, I hope), but that he should be given more support and trust by Mac than he has been given, EVEN IF he hasn't earned it yet cuz... Look at the alternative! TD as a pg over Lin? In the 4th? That's just not right in my personal opinion and all my basketball senses cringe when I see Mac favoring TD over Lin.
    The end goal is to make the Rockets better, not to bash McHale. And disagreeing does not always equal bashing, though it may feel like it when we are sensitive. Been married for a while now, all you married guys know what I mean.
     

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