Random Houston Rockets Trade Ideas - 2012-13

^that's awesome for the Raptors, they improve their playoff chances by a ton. Shaky for Atlanta and the Rockets, though.

 

Rockets don't want Bargnani. He's ****ing terrible.

 

I like the idea of trading for a contract like Granger or Garnett that expires or partially expires in 2014.

Other than Asik/Harden/Lin, we don't have any salary on the books that summer to give away, so the only benefit you get is production from the player and/or draft picks.

 

... i just though about this, thank goodness we didn't keep that Toronto pick!! lol with rudy gay there gonna be prob 10-14th in the draft.

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aeyoawg



what you guys think?

rockets get milsap and a center Kravstov

Jazz get 3 pieces in will bynum, patterson and aldrich

Pistons get Marcus Morris they get a solid young scorer to replace tayshaun aand challenge singler

 

Would Atlanta take Landry Fields (or Amir Johnson) from Toronto? Probably only if they got some combination of draft picks in return.

This seems more simple:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b9em5fv

Altlanta in: Landry Fields + draft picks from LAL & Toronto
Charlotte in: Andrea Bargnani
L.A. Lakers in: Josh Smith, DeSagana Diop (another expiring)
Toronto in: Pau Gasol

Houston then gets Landry Fields from Atlanta and Jeremy Lin offers to let him crash on his couch.

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ag82xhm

 

It is incredible to me that any team's fan would advocate for their team trading for the terrible and grossly overpaid Andrea Bargnani. Bargnani is one of the worst players in the entire league, he is very clearly never going to be anything other than what he is right now, and he makes a ton of money.

We can argue about what the ten worst contracts in the league are, but we can probably agree that these ten worst contracts are listed below:

Jeff Green, Boston Celtics
Courtney Lee, Boston Celtics
Joe Johnson, Brooklyn Nets
Deron Williams, Brooklyn Nets
Gerald Wallace, Brookyn Nets
Tyrus Thomas, Charlotte Bobcats
Carlos Boozer, Chicago Bulls
Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat
Mike Miller, Miami Heat
Drew Gooden, Milwaukee Bucks
Amare Stoudemire, New York Knicks
Arron Afflalo, Orlando Magic
Al Harrington, Orlando Magic
Channing Frye, Phoenix Suns
Michael Beasley, Phoenix Suns
Marcus Thornton, Sacramento Kings
Rudy Gay, Toronto Raptors
Andrea Bargnani, Toronto Raptors
DeMar Derozan, Toronto Raptors
Nene Hilario, Washington Wizards

If/when you are about to post a trade idea, please refer to the list above, as Daryl Morey is not remotely interested in trading for anybody on this list. No well-managed team is interested in trading for anybody on this list.

 

Man Maury would sell his kidney for Dwill

 

Would really like the idea of adding Amir Johnson to the 2nd line at PF.

 

He's a better 4 than anything on the Rockets roster right now and considering that the front office covets a stretch 4 Bargnani is perfect for that role. Yes, he's a bad contract. But 23 million for him for the next 2 years is better than the obscene money that Smith will command. And Love will be a free agent at the same time that Bargnani is coming off the books.

 

Maury who? Maury Povich?

Deron Williams is owed nearly $100 mil over the course of his five-year contract, and he's just in Year One of that contract. He turns 29 this summer, so he's already entering the decline phase of his career, which explains his decline in production over the past couple of years. His production will only get worse, and he will only get more expensive.

Not sure if Maury Povich is interested in swapping one of his kidneys for this guy but, thankfully, Daryl Morey is not.

Actually, no, Andrea Bargnani is not better than any of the PFs on Houston's roster. Bargnani is pretty close to being the worst player in the entire league. There are players in the developmental league who are better ballplayers than Bargnani. It is no coincidence that Toronto was one of the 2-3 worst teams in the league prior to Bargnani getting hurt and that, immediately after he got hurt, they started playing decent (not great, but decent) basketball. He is an incredibly bad defender, an incredibly bad passer, an incredibly bad rebounder, and he isn't even that good of a shooter, really. Plus he makes a large amount of money. 0% chance that Houston or any other well-managed team is interested in trading for Bargnani. Maybe he gets traded to a poorly-managed team, for another bad contract. For example:

Amare Stoudemire and filler (Rasheed Wallace, James White) to Toronto; Andrea Bargnani, Landry Fields, and Amir Johnson to New York

That would be a good trade for Toronto, since they can only use the amnesty clause on one player. They can amnesty Stoudemire at the end of the season. The best player in that trade, by the way, is for sure Amir Johnson.

By the way:

Toronto's record through 12/10 (Bargnani's last game played): 4-18
Toronto's record since (all played without Bargnani): 13-12

Not a concidence!

 

Hey guys u here is a transcrot of Morey answering STH questions:

Man: Do you invision having a different roster after the All-Star Break?

Morey: I feel like we already hgave our core of players and I feel thst we are headed in the right direction!

Me: So with Lakers getting healthy and Grizzlies making trades, are we just going to maintain w/o making any moves or are we looking at players to bring over?

Morey: Well we are always looking to improve and with this young team of ours next year we are projected to win five more games base off of the players already on the team?

Lady: How would Josh Smith look on this team?

Morey: I cannot talk about other players, so I can't answer that question

Man: How would you rate this a successful season? Winning record? Playoffs?

Morey: Well our goal has been to always make the playoffs but we know that we are a young team

Also were other question like "thats Are there any job openings??" and "Who will win a chamoionship first Texans or Rockets" ....but that is what we asked as STH's. I have video but do not know how to place it in here...Sorry

But in my view I think he really is going to stand pat and not make a move!!! but the real question are these players soon to be FA really worth max money...Forgive me for posting in here but my thread starting privi. has been taken away!!!

 

What is he supposed to say exactly when asked if he's going to make any moves? "Yes, we recognize that some of our players aren't that good, so we are actively pursuing a trade"? When your wife asks you if you think she looks nice, what are you supposed to say? "No"? When your boss asks you if you are looking for other jobs because you hate his guts, what are you supposed to say? "Yes"?

I cannot believe that a reporter, not just a sports reporter but any reporter, bothers to ask questions when s/he should know that s/he isn't going to get a straight answer. And I especially cannot believe that people who read/hear these responses actually believe these responses. This sort of interview is a worthless interview. Of course Daryl Morey is actively exploring his options here, and has been actively exploring his options for the last several weeks. He is an opportunist. He has cap space. There are teams out there to exploit. He is looking to exploit one of those teams. He is probably going to exploit one of those teams. Which means that yes, he is going to end up trading one or more of the players on the current roster. If he does not make a trade, it will only be because a really good opportunity did not present itself. It won't be for lack of trying. He is for sure trying.

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=al7fwk2

Rubio just call out for Gasol, Hawks is looking to salary dump, Love is injured and have played quite badly this year, Pat2 is at all time high trade value.

Rox - Love
Wolves - Gasol
Lakers - Josh Smith, Ridnour and Cole Aldridge.
Hawks - Pat2, Delfino and TD.

 

Modified -> http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=badm892

Atlanta in: Terrence Jones, Motiejunas
Houston in: Love, Ridnour
LAL in: Josh Smith, Jeremy Lin
Minnesota in: Pau Gasol

 

I'm going to re-kick the Paul Millsap-to-Houston tires here, so feel free to stop reading, naysayers!

It's looking like Utah is going to either barely sneak in as a 6-7-8 seed or will miss the playoffs altogether, with or without Millsap. And we should all realize that a team with a 6-7-8 seed in the West gets to play a team that will blow their asses out of the water in the first round (either Oklahoma City, San Antonio, or the L.A. Clippers). So, unless you are an up-and-coming young team whose young players will surely benefit from a taste of the playoffs, there is little benefit in making the playoffs as a 6-7-8 seed this season.

It's also starting to look like Utah will likely let someone else pay Millsap (since he's going to get some big offers) and will likely re-sign Al Jefferson (since he's probably not going to be an especially hot commodity). It makes no sense for a team that struggles to even make the playoffs, and that has two very recent high lottery picks (Derrick Favors and Enes Kanter) ready to replace one of these two veteran bigs, to re-sign both players. So Utah should absolutely take what it can get via trade for Millsap, prior to the February trade deadline (which is less than three weeks away!), rather than risk losing him in free agency, in which case they get nothing for him.

It should also be obvious that Utah has the worst PG situation in the entire league. They are starting Jamaal Tinsley, who I thought was washed up 3-4 years ago and would have never imagined that he would be starting for somebody in 2012-13. He's backed up by Earl Watson, who I also kind of can't believe is still in the league. And Alec Burks doesn't really look like a PG.

I point this out because it appears to me that Utah SHOULD attempt to trade Millsap somehow for a PG in his early to mid-twenties who represents a potential solution to their PG problem. The trade might be a two-way or it might be a three-way (or a more-way, I suppose). Here are some PGs who fit this description and who might be obtainable between now and the trade deadline:

Rajon Rondo
Darren Collison
Jeremy Lin
Tyreke Evans
Eric Bledsoe
Kemba Walker
Brandon Jennings
Jeff Teague
Jerryd Bayless
Rodney Stuckey
Isaiah Thomas
John Wall
Jimmer Fredette
Kendall Marshall
Marquis Teague
Eric Maynor

Let's remove a few guys from this list. I will provide explanations for removing them, as well:

Darren Collison. Doesn't appear to be a good or even average starting PG option as he has now failed to live up to expectations in both Indiana and Dallas. Also, he'll be a free agent this summer, so Utah can just sign the guy if they want him, and they don't have to give up anything at all (e.g., Millsap) via trade.

Jeremy Lin. While I believe that Lin may eventually get traded by Houston (especially before they have to pay the guy a whopping $15 mil in 2014-15), I don't think that time is upon us just yet. I think he's a Rocket for the rest of the season. If I'm wrong, then I think the team that trades for him is going to be Utah.

Eric Bledsoe. This guy is almost a sure bet to get traded this summer, after the team re-signs Chris Paul, but the Clippers need to just stand pat this season, as this roster is good enough to win the whole thing, and one of the reasons is the outstanding second unit, and one of the reasons the second unit is outstanding is Bledsoe.

Kemba Walker. One of the lone bright spots for a terrible Bobcats team and arguably the face of the franchise (for whatever that's worth). Plus, if Charlotte trades Walker, then they're in the same lousy spot as Utah. He may eventually get traded but not prior to the trade deadline.

John Wall. Washington's roster is a disaster. Why did they trade Rashard Lewis' big expiring contract for two overpaid mediocrities (Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza)? Does anybody know? One of the most idiotic trades I've ever seen right there. Anyway, the Wizards have a lot invested in Wall, and we know what a person does when they see their $100,000 investment drop down to $35,000 in value. Instead of just sucking it up and cutting their losses, they stay invested, and watch the investment drop even further. Wall's staying, in other words, at least through the end of the season.

Marquis Teague. I'm not seeing the upside here. Is this guy ever going to be a good or even average starting NBA PG? I seriously doubt it.

Eric Maynor. See Collison, above. Maynor will be a free agent this summer and there is a 0% chance that Oklahoma City re-signs him. Also, see Teague, above. Is this guy really capable of being an average starting NBA PG? He's not even in Oklahoma City's rotation!

That leaves the following dudes:

Rajon Rondo
Tyreke Evans
Jeff Teague
Jerryd Bayless
Rodney Stuckey
Isaiah Thomas
Jimmer Fredette
Kendall Marshall

Boston would ask a lot in return for Rondo, and would also insist on their trade partner bailing them out on one of these bad contracts (Jeff Green, Brandon Bass, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry). Utah surely says "No, thanks." Although I have to think that Danny Ainge is shopping around every single player on that Celtics roster right now. How can he not?

I question the upside of Thomas and Fredette. I also am not seeing Tyreke Evans being a very good fit with the Jazz organization, nor does he appear to be a PG, really. [I have no idea what the Kings can get for any of its players but I will be surprised if very many of them are still on the roster in a year and a half.]

That leaves Jeff Teague, Jerryd Bayless, Rodney Stuckey, and Kendall Marshall.

So! My point here is that I can see Houston trying to get in on a three-way deal, where this happens:

Either Teague, Bayless, Stuckey, or Marshall to Utah
Terrence Jones to either Atlanta, Memphis, Detroit, or Phoenix
Paul Millsap to Houston

In my opinion, with the Jose Calderon trade, the most obvious guy for Utah to target here is the solid and underrated Stuckey, as it appears that Joe Dumars is interested in re-signing Calderon. Dumars also appears to be trying to create a bit more cap space, so he'd want a young/cheap/upside big like Terrence Jones here more than Stuckey or Millsap. So this would be the trade:

Rodney Stuckey to Utah
Terrence Jones to Detroit
Paul Millsap to Houston

 

interesting trade, I like the idea of selling high on PPat

but couldn't the Wolves just send Love to ATL? why are we needed?

 

Man I love this Bismack Biyombo kid would be a great defensive stopper. Can play 3.4, and 5 minutes. Unfortunately he is a impossible get from the Charlotte Bobcats.

 

Oh, I left off Brandon Jennings. He's another guy who I can see getting traded to Utah. It would be pretty much the same trade as the other trade I suggested:

Brandon Jennings to Utah
Terrence Jones to Milwaukee
Paul Millsap to Houston

Milwaukee thus takes its chances with its collection of fours and fives (Larry Sanders, John Henson, Terrence Jones, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, Ekpe Udoh), is thrilled with its stud of a SF (Ersan Ilyasova), re-signs Monta Ellis to an extension, and attempts to find a suitable backcourt mate for Ellis either via free agency, trade, or the draft. Milwaukee is a smaller market team, so they need to keep the payroll under control, which suggests they probably can't quite afford to re-sign both Ellis and Jennings. And I suspect that they think that giving Jennings a big extension isn't such a smart idea, and will take what they can get for the guy rather than watch him walk in free agency.