So if I make $60K per year now for the next five years, and get a raise and make $100K a year for five years after that, would it be correct to tell people that my salary is $80K per year? No, right? I make 60K per year. And Lin makes $5M this year. Sheesh, the lengths some of you will go to make Lin look bad.
That's one way of looking at it. The other is that Lin has a salary cap impact of 8.3 million a year. If you were to trade Lin, you would have to take into account his salary cap impact and not his actual salary. Thus the salary cap number is his replacement cost. Both sides have a valid point, but I prefer the salary cap impact number as that's how teams will view his contract. With that being said, I believe he's maybe a little overpaid at the moment, but nothing he can't make up in the rest of the season.
And that detract from my point (that most of the Suns starters are good players) how? The Suns sucks, I will give you that, but the idea that Dragic is playing with poorly talented team mates is far fetched.
Also, LOL at the attempt to clown the Suns defense when the Rockets frontcourt defense consist of only Asik with a no show from our PFs.
The only reason the Roxs are not sucking like the Suns is that we have Harden while the Suns have Beasley.
Nope, salary impact is actually $5MM this year and $14MM his last year. He is definitely underpaid (imo) this year and he will definitely be overpaid his last year. No ifs and buts.
Lin has a GUARANTEED $25mil/3yr contract. I don't think you or most members here have such ridiculous salary guaranteed for 3 years, much less 10. But okay, let's play your game. Lin is scheduled to make $5mil, $5mil, $15mil. Take into account devalued future money, you can convert Lin's contract to a normal NBA contract with 10% raises would be something like $7.3mil, $8mil, $8.8mil = $24.1mil. I think 900k would be more or less make up for the backloaded contract. So in the end, you can say that Lin's contract isn't worth $8.3mil/yr, but it's still close to $8mil/yr.
again with the per? conley and lin are equally efficient compared to each other. http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/13/2/eff and mike has what 3 years more in experience. Lin is doing well, just not a god like his personal fans believe. I'm a fan. Lin in transition is awesome. Lin in the 1/2 court..a lot of growing up to do.
Well if you live in Texas you are an At Will Employee. Meaning you employer can let you go and not pay you anything. LIN is a NBA player with a guaranteed contract. He will get his money if he plays, doesn't play, gets inured, is releasee, etc. Not so for us working class. So people are correct when they say he makes 8.3. Because in his three year contract he will make that average guaranteed.
I find it funny this thread was originally meant to knock Lin via comparison to Lowry and Dragic in terms of on court production. Now that Lin is showing to be their equal or better, the discussion jumps to whether or not he is worth his contract. Which is pretty average for most Point guards and Lin is proving himself to be an average or above average point guard so, what is the point of this thread again?
The reason for the disparity between PER and efficiency lies with pace. Memphis plays a half court game, slow it down game. The Rockets on average get 6.2 extra possessions per game. Our players will gamble on defense to create fast break opportunities. And we put out stretch 4s to help with spacing. Meanwhile Memphis sacrifice spacing(Tony Allen can't shoot and Gasol/Randolph aren't spacers) for best defensive lineup. In this case, I have to side with the PER stat. What Conley's doing in Memphis is much more impressive that what Lin is doing in Houston. Based on my years of watching JVG teams trying to muster up offense when the entire philosophy is based on defense.
No, that discussion came because some people insist on saying Lin makes $5mil/yr instead of the $8mil/yr he actually makes due to the guaranteed nature of NBA contracts. This is very much debatable.
Lin is underpaid. He is averaging 15.25 pts and 7.25 assists now that the Rockets have returned to democratic ball. And you can't forget his defense where is ranks 3rd among all players in steals. I also have yet to see Dragic make Kobe, Lebron, Iggy, and Andre Miller look foolish on their post moves.
Considering his experience level and the fact that he is playing a completely different role this year under a system that is not PG friendly in the least, I'd say he's doing alright. If he's putting up Dragic numbers when he's 26, I'd be kinda disappointed as I believe he has higher potential than that.
I think a strong argument could be made that Ramon Sessions is better than Lin, and Ramon could have been had for much less in the offseason. That's the route I would like to have gone. They match up tonight, so I guess we'll see....
No, that is not correct. Lin is guaranteed $5m this year and next year and $15m in year 3. Currently, we are at T+1, if you want to make the argument that he is not worth his contract at T+1 then you can only compare him to his first year salary. To judge him based on $8.3/yr can only be done at the end of the third year because no one has a crystal ball. Taking a PV approach also doesn't work because Houston could trade him after year 2. Mixing up salary cap hit and salary paid out is the problem that you have. Take the Knicks, if they matched the contract for Lin, they still had enough to sign a mid-level exemption player, so to the Knicks, Lin's salary was worth more than the Rockets, even though cash payout is the same. Does that mean I can say Lin was worth his salary if he played for the Knicks but not the Rockets? Same player, same salary, different cap hit. Think of it another way, year three rolls along and Lin becomes a valuable asset because of his expiring contract. The Rockets could trade him for someone that makes $13m a year (contracts have to be close to make a trade work). Now the avg cost to the Rox would only be $23m over 3 years, avg less than $8m. Care to assess on that basis?
I call BS. Doesn't matter what the average is. He pockets $5M this year. He needs to be evaluated on that. In his third year, he will need to play well enough to justify the $15M. Criticism can be given if he doesn't justify that at that time. The naysayers will certainly use that figure his third year, not some $8.3M. Stop playing BS games with his salary. If I sign a guaranteed contract with my employer for 50K per year for 5 years, then 150K per year times five years, doesn't mean that my salary is 100K this year.
