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Armed guard stops school shooting...

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  1. Realjad

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    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/55742445-68/shooting-atlanta-police-says.html.csp

    Armed guard disarmed teen in Atlanta school shooting, says police chief. A student opened fire at his middle school Thursday afternoon, wounding a 14-year-old in the neck before an armed officer working at the school was able to get the gun away, police said.

    Multiple shots were fired in the courtyard of Price Middle School just south of downtown around 1:50 p.m. and the one boy was hit, Atlanta Police Chief George Turner said. In the aftermath, a teacher received minor cuts, he said.

    The wounded boy was taken "alert, conscious and breathing" to Grady Memorial Hospital, said police spokesman Carlos Campos. He was expected to be released Thursday night.

    Police swarmed the school of about 400 students after reports of the shooting while a crowd of anxious parents gathered in the streets, awaiting word on their children. Students were kept at the locked-down school for more than two hours before being dismissed.

    Investigators believe the shooting was not random and that something occurred between the two students that may have led to it.

    Schools Superintendent Erroll Davis said the school does have metal detectors.

    "The obvious question is how did this get past a metal detector?" Davis asked about the gun. "That’s something we do not know yet."

    Could it be true? Could it be that the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun IS a good guy with a gun? Inquiring minds want to know.
     
  2. bongman

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    IMHO, a more intriguing question is how did that teenager got a hold of a gun?
     
  3. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    arm the students, teachers and all inanimate objects - extra clip, large magazines, everyone needs full auto - including the 5 graders all the way down to Pre-K - because it's just too dangerous at school. Gym teachers and janitor's need access to M1 Abrams tanks - just give them a Saturday training course. The Principles of the schools need control of large aircraft carrier battlegroups to organize the defense and attack plans of the schools. Superintendents must, I repeat MUST have access to our nuclear arsenal or it's freaking over and we might as well just give up educating our kids because there are to many criminals with guns!

    of course the article didn't mention he used the gun to disarm the kid, and you don't care it was an individual who put his own safety at risk to save lives that is the real hero and not the gun in his holster but GUNS YALL
     
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  4. Realjad

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    I'm actually more intrigued to know how it got through the metal detectors since in so many places we spend an extraordinary amount of tax dollars on them.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm interested to know how the teen did get a hold of his gun but lets be realistic, it's neither a complicated nor hard feat for any teen to get a gun if they want one. I can think of dozens of ways.
     
  5. Realjad

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    How about you let the adults just decide how to arm themselves. Don't need kids and inanimate objects running or sitting around with guns, there needs to be some age limits, don't even need a requirment for guns either. Just no stupid gun free zones, which is one of the more outstandingly incompetently stupid concepts humans have thought up and tried to justify.
     
  6. RV6

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    It doesn't really state, if he pulled out his gun or not. Did he?
     
  7. bongman

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    Totally agree with you on this one. I guess depending on how you look at gun control, you will have a certain bias on how you can perceive a particular incident. For me, the source of most of these violence is what you mentioned in your latter statement (easy access) and not our inability to detect it.
     
  8. SuperBeeKay

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    I just wana know why parents dont lock their **** up

    so ****ing stupid
     
  9. bucket

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    If not, it would definitively answer this question in the negative:

     
  10. Realjad

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    I don't see easy access as the source as much as an issue as you make it out to be. Nothing that has been distributed on a mass scale at any point can really be banned so that it becomes extremely complicated to get a hold of. At some point you have to think of other ways to curb things down, that's why we must concentrate on mental health and low income areas; things of that sort.

    Even with a widespread complete ban on guns, you will be able to access them easily. Just like drugs or anything else that's been traded widely already on a mass scale. If you want it, you'll will get it.

    Look at Chicago Illionois if you need an example on that matter...


    There is bigger issues to curb these instances that we should focus on
     
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    I am not really proposing banning as that is a debate that has been beaten to death. What I am thinking is trying to change/modify the gun culture we currently have.

    To site an example, there was a time when it was generally acceptable to be racist, homophobic, smoker, misogynistic, spouse abuser, etc. Currently, we look at these traits negatively and although laws played some part on our cultural views, I feel that demonizing these traits through media, discussions, etc, had more of an adverse effect.

    When we look at some state laws, the owner of a vehicle is liable (not the driver) for any damages caused by the vehicular accident. Chemical endangerment is the crime of exposing a child to a controlled substance or an environment in which it is produced and parents are held responsible for this.

    Just like this article, it focuses a lot on the event but very little (or any) on the gun owner's responsibility. I think we can agree that this kid did not own the gun legally. We need to start placing blame on the registered owner (why registering all guns is important) so we can start changing the culture. Taking extra measures to assure that your gun does not fall into the wrong hands.
     
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    Yes, because gun owners are in the same categories as what you listed above. :rolleyes:
     
  13. Codman

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    I'm a teacher. I don't want a gun in my classroom. I don't want certain people (kids) to have access to guns, especially high-calibur ones.

    It's simple. We don't need guards on our campus grounds.

    The right is missing the point. It's not all about the 2nd amendment...it's about compromise and common decency. Do you value guns or young life more?
     
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    In that case who should make texting illlegal... since it can't be totally controlled either.
     
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    I think you missed my point. It's not gun owners, it's gun owner's responsibility.
     
  16. QdoubleA

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    What a ridiculous thing to say. I wonder do people understand how silly these things sound before they hit "submit reply". Are you equating the amount and tragedy of violent deaths caused by guns to texting and driving deaths. Do you think those things are on par? You are an intelligent dude, how does something like this even cross your mind?!?!
     
  17. giddyup

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    Seems perfectly on par to me. One source indicated almost 4,000 traffic fatalities due to phoning/texting and I bet texting has the lion's share of those. Given that, I bet, a lot of handgun deaths are criminals killing other criminals whereas texting deaths pretty much involve 100% innocents....

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  18. juicystream

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    I think there should be harsh punishment to the owners. You have a responsibility.
     
  19. CometsWin

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    Those are called accidents, not murders. Something that distracts a driver and causes an accident is not the same as a gun whose purpose is to kill.
     
  20. giddyup

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    I thought the conversation was about prevention?
     

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