Random Houston Rockets Trade Ideas - 2012-13

would love to know what value the Rockets place on Josh Smith, hes an enigma

Ilyasova is interesting, it's a "good" contract salary wise, but the length hurts our flexibility

 

Why not I think Atlanta would love to move his 12 million a season that will be on the team books until the offseason of 2016. Like I stated earlier he is a 20/10 guy if you move him back down to PF...He is a Joakim Noah with a better offensive game (Tim Duncan in regards to being fundamentally sound). Atlanta would be foolish and the Rockets would be foolish not to explore this option IMO. In a case of Horford having a bonafide low post threat on a nightly basis would do wonders for Lin (Assist wise) and Harden (penetration wise)

Horford to Rockets

for


Delfino, Patterson, Jones and Motiejunas

then you trade

Aldrich and 2nd Round pick to Charlotte for Henderson (12 ppg in 22 mins/ game)

Lin/Harden/Parsons/Horford/Asik

Douglas/Henderson/Morris/Smith

real good nine man rotation

Next year Salary will be $ 47,470,405 (Scola salary included)

so that will give us $10,529,595 in cap space next year and either give Anderson backup 3 mins and give Beverley packup pg mins....Also I feel we gonna have to extend Parsons in the near future (like this offseason)...What you guys think???

 

I really believe Morey is waiting for a team to be financially desperate and then he will pounce similar to the Harden deal. It seems as if he really wants players who are about to or are entering their prime. Just my thoughts. I do however like to read all these trade suggestions and like to try and figure out the Rockets next move myself.

 

why would Atlanta trade away their best player?

 

in the meantime on the Hawks forum:

Harden has a 16 mil/year contract that will be on the books till 2018 season. The Rockets would be foolish not to explore trading Harden for Kyle Korver, Ivan Johnson, John Jenkins and Jordan Williams.

 

for the same reason Dwight Howard and CP3 are free agents and CAP SPACE out the you know what!!!

 

Ilyasova would be a good choice only if Morey thinks he can flip him for an even better asset.

I'd offer Ppat, Aldrich salary dump, and a 2nd rd pick for him.

 

Oh, I agree that Josh Smith, Monta Ellis, and Brandon Jennings all playing together would be a complete joke but there are some very poorly managed, desperate teams out there.

Anyway, I don't think Houston would need to give up anything more than what I've proposed for Ersan Ilyasova simply because he has several years left on his contract and Atlanta isn't really going to want him. This is the point I'm trying to make in all of my posts, really, or at least most of them: that Houston has $7+ mil in cap space right now, which allows them to exploit teams looking to dump payroll or divert an unwanted contract. Somehow, Daryl Morey will execute a trade between now and the trade deadline where he appears to be getting something for nothing (or next-to-nothing), and fans won't understand it, because fans do not seem to understand the logic of the CBA especially well (probably because the sports media doesn't understand the logic of the CBA especially well and therefore cannot explain it to fans). When Morey makes such a trade, it is possible because of the cap space.

And, as I've pointed out before: isn't this a better use of cap space than what most teams do with cap space, e.g., blow it on veteran mediocrities like Landry Fields or Al Harrington or whoever?

 

So we give up young talent in Parsons, Jones, Motiejunas and are forced to eat the contract of Landry Fields JUST SO that we can rent Milsap for a few months????

One of the more r****ded trade proposals I've seen. Why on earth would we do that? We could just wait a few months and buy Milsap outright OR trade direct with the Jazz

 

so you would trade for a guy who only upped his ppg by 1 point but who makes 5-6 million more than he did last year...he falls in the category of Patterson and Morris as real good role players imo

 

Yeah, I think the Bucks going for Josh Smith part is imaginable. It's just really funny to think how they'll play.
But they've already built such a weird team, chuckers in the back, a sea of pogo sticks up front, I wouldn't be stunned if they did something weird like adding Smith.

Re Ilyasova -- well, I think he's a much better asset than any of those players mentioned. I don't think it's realistic to hope to win a deal by that much.
I mean, if Atlanta only wants a mediocre little asset like Patterson + cap space for next year... why wouldn't Milwaukee keep Ilyasova and throw in Dalembert's expiring + a pick or Dalembert + Udoh or something? That's much better than giving away Ilyasova.
Or, why wouldn't Atlanta take Ilyasova and trade him for better assets? Or why wouldn't they find a better 3rd team? Ilyasova has to at least be worth a good prospect / picks. Maybe they could even package him in a Gortat trade or such? Now that would be awesome for Atlanta.
Besides, I think Ilyasova makes sense in Atlanta. They might find a true center this summer (Pekovic? Al Jefferson?), move Horford to PF, move Ilyasova to SF / backup PF, there'd be plenty of minutes for Henson too...

One way or the other, there are better options than giving Houston a free meal.

 

LMAO:grin:

 

I dont get why people keep talking about his improved 3P shooting this season. There was a NBA writer who also said the same thing a month ago.

He's 2/13 .154 from 3P since Nov 17th or his last 35 games. Not exactly worth noting.

Granted he was 10/17 from 3P the first 10 games of the season. Yes it's factually correct that his 3P% is still better than his career average, but the trend the last two months sucks and the total sample size of only 30 3PA doesn't even merit a mention in my opinion. It's like people are trying to defend is career low FG% with "at least he's shooting better from 3P".

 

He's actually been coming around with his new head coach. Look at his last 10 games. He also fits the position of a stretch 4 better than ppat. And it's a better move than that garbage millsuck trade.

 

Byron Mullens for PPat.

 

Hey, I agree that Ersan Ilyasova is a good ballplayer, a good fit for Houston's system, and comes at what appears to be a good price. And I agree that I may be undervaluing what Milwaukee can get for the guy. However, I suspect that he is an undervalued asset right now, and that teams don't view him as a guy to give up prospects/picks for. I suspect that Milwaukee, for example, would buy into the Josh Smith hype and believe that Smith and Ilyasova cannot co-exist or whatever, and that Smith is better than Ilyasova (I honestly prefer Ilyasova but I may be in a minority here). And that the Bucks would say, "We can't afford both of these guys." And would want to include Ilyasova in the deal. AND I suspect that Atlanta would prefer a dirt-cheap young guy and cap space over Ilyasova, but, again, I could be wrong.

However, keep in mind that Danny Ferry is trying to position Atlanta to make a big splash this summer, either via free agency or trade or both. And so he wants to accumulate the sorts of things that teams always want. And teams want dirt-cheap young guys on rookie contracts and draft picks, mostly. Teams looking to dump a big salary and to rebuild generally don't want to get a relatively expensive veteran back. So it appears to me that, from Atlanta's perspective, Marcus Morris or Terrence Jones is more desirable (for their purposes) than Ilyasova. Again, I could be wrong about this (but I obviously think I'm right, otherwise, I wouldn't have bothered to type it all out!).

Anyway, unless Ilyasova is secretly injured (and is therefore damaged goods), I would much rather have him and his level of production/efficiency (and professionalism, which is important, you know, we forget that sometimes as sports fans!), at his price, and for the years (his late twenties, i.e., his prime, basically) on his contract, than Josh Smith, who is going to get paid a massive (max) salary, for four if not five years.

Ilyasova is a shooter, and is efficient. He's going to age well. His game is not dependent on athleticism. Smith is not the greatest shooter in the world, is inefficient, and his game is pretty dependent on athleticism. And he's going to obviously become less athletic over time. In a lot of ways, he strikes me as the sort of completely idiotic-from-the-get-go investment that Amare Stoudemire was a few years ago when the Knicks stupidly gave him all that money, despite the fact that his game was pretty dependent on athleticism (rather than skills), and we can see how that turned out. I think there is a very high percentage chance that Josh Smith's contract will be considered one of the five worst contracts in the league within, say, 18 months. And don't forget that Smith is something of a prima donna, which only makes things worse. I'd like to think that Houston is not interested in trading for Smith.

 

I just looked at Ersan Ilyasova's recent boxscores and it looks like he's back to being really good. In which case maybe Houston would have to do better than just Marcus Morris or Terrence Jones. Maybe they'd have to trade TWO of these expendable young guys on rookie contracts (in my opinion, these guys are Donatas Motiejunas, Morris, Jones, and obviously Royce White) for Ilyasova. But he's worth it. He's awfully good and he comes at a great price. And he's a great fit (as a "stretch four") for what Houston's trying to do. All of the people who have been wanting Ryan Anderson should be focusing on Ilyasova instead. New Orleans isn't interested in trading Anderson, whereas I can see Milwaukee fielding offers for Ilyasova.

Even if Milwaukee doesn't trade Ilyasova somehow to Atlanta for Josh Smith, I still think the guy is obtainable, in a straight up two-team deal. I can still see Daryl Morey offering two of those four guys listed above (Motiejunas, Morris, Jones, White) for Ilyasova, and I can see Milwaukee biting on that deal.

The four guys who make the most sense to me (as trade targets) are Ilyasova, Paul Millsap, Marcin Gortat, and Luol Deng (if the Bulls are looking to dodge the luxury tax). I think Chicago may be willing to listen to offers for Deng but they're going to want an arm and a leg. I like Millsap but I'm a little worried that he's going to cost too much to re-sign, that the market is going to go nuts this summer. I like Gortat but he's older than you think (I believe he turns 29 in February). Ilyasova is very reasonably priced, is younger than these three other guys (I believe he's 25 years old), and his team may not appreciate what they've got in him.

 

^ I think even if he's attainable, they need a '2 bigs for 1' or '3 bigs for 1' type of deal, like the one you suggested earlier for Josh Smith. They need a very good veteran big, preferably a tough low post scorer.
They have too many rotation bigs, just like the Rockets.

 

Think big, aim high. Now that Kobe has started passing the ball in Lakerland, this trade doesn't look as achievable.

Scenario...Dwight says that he's not resigning in LA, wants to go Brooklyn or Houston.
During All-Star break chemistry forms among Paul, Howard & Harden.

Chris Paul says that he is not resigning. Says Houston, among destinations preferred...secretly knowing that both he & Dwight want to form a Western Conference Dynasty in Houston.

Behind the scenes, Morey gets 'er done...



Lakers get Omer Asik & Linsanity on Hollywood!
Plus big bodies.

Clippers get 2Pat, Douglas, Royce 'Top 5 Talent' White & a pick from The Suns. They give the reigns to Bledsloe.

Suns get Mook to be a marketing gimmick in Phoenix while they rebuild. Giving a pick to Clippers.

We get Dwight Howard & Chris Paul along with crumbs....would love to have been able to keep DelFino though.


Who knows?

D.Howard
D-Mo
Parsons
Harden
C. Paul

Pat Beverly
D.Morris
James Anderson
M.Barnes...(troll)
G.Smith
Whiteside
R.Hollins....

Trade for Delfino back...awesome team.