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Jeremy Lin's upside

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by meh, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. rokit

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    so does ray allen
     
  2. roxxy

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    Something else you can use is handrating on 82games. It was 22.3 in NY & it is 24.4 now in Houston. Slight improvement
     
  3. torocan

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    Per 40's were from Hoopsdata.

    Basketball reference does per 36.
    82 games does per 48.

    Or you can look them up on per game (most misleading in my opinion).
     
  4. webattorney

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    Well said. Lin does everything right except the following:

    1. Sometimes he is lackadaisical. I wish he brings up the ball little faster so he doesn't waste time. Maybe he is thinking what to do as he brings the ball slowly. :)

    2. I also think his long-jumper shooting motion is too "big", going from too far down front to up and back before the release. He should be taking the ball straight up and follow with the wrist motion.

    3. He sometimes makes passes to Asik that are difficult for Asik to catch. Note that if Asik had good hands, he would be able to catch them, but Asik has bad hands, so Lin should recognize it and make sure the passes are very easy ones to catch. This is as much Asik's fault as Lin's though.

    4. His confidence varies too much when his initial one or two shots do not go down. Lin has to be willing to take good shots without any conscience.

    5. He sometimes tries to engage in too much "help" D and lays off his own man. When his man sucks at 3s this might be ok, but he should not "help" on D too much.

    6. Sometimes he passes too much when he should take the shot.

    Other than the above, Lin is the best decision maker on Rockets team, and on most break aways, they should be passing the ball to Lin to push the ball, so that Lin has the ball for the first 10 to 12 seconds before he decides to pass. Note that even if Lin's TO number goes up, this means other Rockets will have less TOs. If everyone dribbles and pushes the ball, there are going to be a lot more TOs. In short, Lin does not mind sacrificing his own stats for others, so this kind of player is good to have, as long as properly utilized.
     
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    His left hand looked fantastic ala UTAH game.

    But if he can stay consistent?
     
  6. hocash

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    This.
     
  7. Roxs

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    I've been meaning to wrote this post for awhile, but just not sure where it belongs. In any case, I promise fascinating connections to Jeremy Lin as well as potentially important ramifications for your kids education. It certainly impacted the thought process of how I raise my kids. I say this so that you'll bear with me as this is kinda long to explain through.

    Has anyone heard of Malcolm Gladwell? He's author of many best selling social science books like the Tipping Point, Ourliers, and What the Dog Saw. He's also a long time writer for the New Yorker, but I wouldn't hold that against him.

    In What the Dog Saw, which is just a collection of his long-form features published in the New Yorker, there was one chapter focused on youth Canadian hockey players and kids who take the SAT (kinda like an IQ test for those not in America).

    With the youth Canadian hockey players (we're talking 7, 8, and 9-year olds), he noticed an interesting anomaly. Nearly all the youth hockey players in the annual all-star games were born in the months of January and February. Obviously, that's not just a coincidence. There was a selective bias, but what? Of the 7, 8, 9-year olds selected to these all-star games, they were basically the same ones to be selected to the 10, 11, 12-year old all-stars games. This pattern of the same group of kids being selecting to successive all-star games all the way to the NHL. So it seems that these group of kids were favored at birth to be NHL All-Stars. Technically, that's not incorrect, but not because necessarily because they were naturally talented or came from parents who were pro athletes. They were just fortunate to be born at the right time of the year.

    You see, one of the requirements to be in the youth all-star game is that your birthday had to be after Jan 1st. Take for example the upcoming 2013 7-year old all-star game. For this game, you needed to have been born between Jan 1st, 2007 and Dec 31st, 2007 to be eligible. The problem with that is those born in Jan are effectively 1 year older than those born in Dec. So those born in Jan have effectively, 1 year more experience than those born in Dec as well as being 1 year old physically (bigger, stronger, faster) and thus are incredibly more likely to make it to the all-star game.

    And once you make it to the All-Star game, you get access to better coaches, better facilities, better equipment, and of course, you get access to NHL star players. Not to mention, you face better competition.

    This advantage that these all-star kids get is not a one-time event. It's actually cumulative. Because these lucky 7-year olds, having gotten the better training and coaching, will most likely make it to the 8-year olds all-star game. And so on all the way until the NHL all-stars.

    The sum takeaway is that early head starts for kids is EXTREMELY important because head starts have a CUMULATIVE EFFECT on their development.

    This is the same for standardize IQ tests, the the ones that determine placement in US education. I don't recall the details of this part of the chapter as well as the hockey kids because it's been a few years since I read the book. But this book is very much worth reading if you want to understand how to give your kids an advantage early on.

    How this applies to Jeremy Lin is that he's on the outside of those that makes it to the all-star games. He was never highly touted, he never made it a top tier conference, and of course he was never drafted. But I wonder, how much better would Lin be if he had the same chances as someone not Asian.

    I think of this whenever anyone says that Lilliard is better than Lin because he's younger. I think about how Jeremy Lin's life is just another case study in this research done by Gladwell.

    Before anyone accuses me of being a LOF, a preface that I sadly need to make on this forum, I think all of this is extremely interesting from an academic standpoint. As I said earlier, this has implications for your kids future as well, or at least it should.
     
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    We are 15-9 when he scores 12 points. Not really hard to look something up, takes a couple of minutes.
     
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    True. That's what separate the lazy from the gods.

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23Rockets">#Rockets</a> Jeremy Lin has recorded an NBA-high 38 steals in the month of January. <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23Lincriminating">#Lincriminating</a></p>&mdash; Check The Ticker (@ChecktheTicker) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChecktheTicker/status/296318491752017920">January 29, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    Dude has quick hands.
     
  10. charles_zed

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    If Lin develops a jump-shot and Asik can improve his hands a bit more/ he gets a better roll man he'll be unstoppable.
     
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    Lin is doing fine for a second year pg IMO. I think he will be at around 16ppg 6 asst pg and 4 rebounds pg next year.
     
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    Throw in an elite 3-point shooter or two and I'll agree with you. :grin:
     
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    Since Jeremy Lin is a joke, his upside has to be a funnier joke.
     
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    spamming?
     
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    Yes it is spam to mistakenly post a message on the wrong thread and then repost it on the correct thread.
     
  16. Lucky Charm

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    Get out! That's #Linbelievable, Jeremy you sneaky thief :cool:
     
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    This is actually pretty funny :)
     
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    Lin is the anti-Austin Rivers. Rivers had his draft pick and NBA career handed to him. I want to see Lin b**** slap that mofo on the court...
     
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    I think Lin can easily average at least 8 assists. He's averaging over 6 per game currently already and that's with all the bad stretches and chemistry issues that he's had already this season, not to mention losing a majority of the PG role to Harden.

    I think as the roles get more defined (Lin running point more like the last 3 games) and the team develops more chemistry Lin's assist numbers will only go up.
     
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    I've read Gladwell's books, and mentioned the 10,000 hour + deliberate practice in a previous post. And I understand what you're getting at with the hockey analogy.

    In a perfect world, Lin would get in at Stanford, eventually become the starting PG, be drafted maybe early second or perhaps non-lottery first, and potentially be better developed given the higher level of practice and competition vs Harvard.

    In reality, Lin going to Harvard was probably a blessing in disguise (or as we at clutchfans like to say ... blessing in the skies) ... reason being he got to play big minutes from day 1. And he had to do everything on that team from scoring, passing, defense, late-game shots etc. Virtually statistical leader in all categories by his third year.

    That made Lin the player he is today. Very well-rounded, offensively and defensively, 4th quarter player, rebounds, assists, high basketball iq. Everything except spot-up shooting, and CONSISTENCY (because for most of his life, he hasn't played against to-notch competition and athletes).

    If he was at Stanford, he may have been buried for a couple of years (told to get stronger before you can play), the played a more defined role as a PG but not have as good of an all-round game, and certainly not be counted on to make the big plays at the end of games.

    I think once Lin improves his outside/spot-up shooting and his consistency, people will get to see how good of a player he is.

    And that, as Lin himself would like to say (paraphrasing), God has worked it all out for him. Going to Harvard was the best thing that happened to him, even if it was his last choice college.
     

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