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Jeremy Lin is a joke!!!!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Dei, Nov 12, 2012.

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Is Jeremy Lin a joke?

  1. Yes :)

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  2. No :(

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  1. roxxy

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    You know Les personally? Tell him I said hi!


    I am confused how does he not deserve to be a starter? He is getting paid the salery of an average NBA starting PG & his production has been that of an average NBA starting PG. So yes he does deserve to be a starter.

    Also, he is the best PG on this roster if there was a better PG he would be starting over Lin but there isn't. So by common sense Lin deserves to be the starter over anybody else. If it isn't Lin who deserves to be the starter for this team?

    Also since when are the Rockets trying to win a championship?
     
  2. wukong

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    knee surgery recovery.

    I would like to know what stats people need to see from Lin given the current teammates with their requirements, talents etc... to lay off the hate.
     
  3. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Which is why were are an average team.

    To your latter question. Since 1995.
     
  4. AggNRox

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    whether it is a les decision or not is irrelevant. let's look at what he has done during his short nba career as a starter on a team. when he ran a team w/o a superstar, he put up superstar #s (if you don't believe me, check stats by yourself). When w/ a superstar, he tended to sit back and let the superstar get # and he looked like enjoying pg more than sg. sometimes in this season, he even played lessbased on this, i would say he has potential to put up all star #s. inconsistence which most posters here talked about really coincided with whether a team has a superstar or not and how much lin played pg.
     
  5. Haymitch

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    Yeah, that's what I was afraid the response would be. Knee surgery, hate and/or racism. Sigh.
     
  6. roxxy

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    Off the top of my head without stats because I am to lazy.

    Much worse shooter. Like his shooting is horrific at times. (per common sense)

    Better passer than last year in terms of the variety of his passes & the timing but still could be a lot better (per 82 games)

    Much better defender than last year still could be a bit better on close outs & defending without fouling (per synergy)

    Better ball handler but still could be a lot better (per82games)

    Much better in transition (per synergy)

    Less turn over prone but still needs to cut this down (per 82games)

    Much better PNR player than last year even though he is running it at a lower %time (per synergy)
     
  7. roxxy

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    We aren't an average team because we have an average PG. We are an average team because we are the youngest team in the NBA with a very young coach & a brand new roster. To say otherwise is a lie.

    To your latter statement. Fair enough.
     
  8. wukong

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    you deny knee surgery recovery would cause any problems?
    what DO you want to see out of him?
     
  9. meh

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    Then you must have ridiculously short memory. It was only a few games ago when Lin was celebrated here during our winning streak and putting up 110+ points seemingly every night.
     
  10. wukong

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    So what stats? What does he have to do?
     
  11. meh

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    Jeremy Lin shooting by month

    Nov. 37%
    Dec. 49%
    Jan. 39%

    When did Jeremy Lin have his knee surgery again?
     
  12. Haymitch

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    Steady improvement. He's a middle-of-the-road PG, but is young and can definitely improve.

    I didn't watch many of his games last year. Maybe 2 or 3. So that's why I asked for the take of someone who has followed him more closely than I have just what he has improved upon from this year to last.

    You replied with the standard LOF response, which I was hoping to avoid. A bit later, roxxy responded with something very helpful and answered the question.

    Going forward, I would like to see him improve his jumper. If he did this and nothing else, I would be pleased. If he was able to shoot near 40% from 3, the Rockets would be very well off. I realize this is hard to do as only 30 or so players are near or above that percentage this year, but that - in addition to his current talents - would make him a great fit alongside the Rockets' franchise player.
     
  13. DudeWah

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    Don't be ignorant. Being a Lin fan does not mean they only comment on Lin. Rather, it is having bias towards Lin and using every argument to blindly support him even when he's not doing well.

    There are no LOH's. No one joined this site just to hate on Lin. That idea is ridiculous. Most of those accused of being LOH's have been here for years and will continue to be here after Lin is gone. Not one **** was given.

    There are LOF's who joined this site just for Lin and do everything they can to prop him up. Maybe "Lin apologizers" is a better term.

    So yes, LOF's are a real thing. LOH's are not and it is just a term created by LOF's as a defense mechanism.
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    Since R2k didn't offer a rebuttal to this I'd like to address something in this post. First off, this is the crux of the Lin fan argument. You're just saying whatever you think defends Lin when it is not accurate at all.

    Many times Lin gets the ball at the 3 point line wide open. At this point he can either:

    1) shoot the open 3
    2) drive the lane

    when he does option #1 it is usually a clunker

    I don't understand why he doesn't do option 2 more often. He definitely chooses to not drive. When a defender is closing in on you at the 3pt line, you don't have to worry about him sagging off you because you can blow by him easily.

    Since Lin has such a good penetrating game, why does he not just get into the lane at will on these possessions?

    Is McHale making him not? Is Harden stopping him from doing it? Are the posters on clutchfans intimidating him from driving?

    More often than not in these situations Lin will either:

    1) shoot and brick a 3 (or make one with his foot on the line)
    2) pass the ball immediately
    3) drive a little bit, run around in a circle, and pass the ball like he doesn't want to be aggressive.
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    No one is expecting Lin to average 25/7/4 like Derrick Rose. Don't throw out straw man arguments.

    His "young career" blah blah blah. Lin isn't getting paid on a rookie contract. So pretending like he is by referencing his youth is a bit ignorant.

    He is playing like trash more often than not. Do I think all his games are bad? No, I think he has some stellar games that show a lot of potential. Do I think most of his games are pretty bad? Yes, compared to other pg play around the league I definitely do.

    Averaging 12 pts/6 assts on 40% fg and 28% 3 pt fg is hardly living up to his salary.

    I don't know who that is acceptable for. Maybe LOF's :confused:

    Those shooting percentages are just too horrendous. Lin doesn't have the upside of Ricky Rubio. It is not okay for him to shoot like that.
     
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  14. meh

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    Rockets fans liked Jeremy Lin in December. Thought he turned the corner. In that month, his stat was 31.1mpg/13.8ppg/3.2rpg/6.3apg/48.9%FG/29%3PT/84%FT

    If you think that's too much to expect from Lin for a fan of the team, then we can only agree to disagree.
     
  15. peter2012

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    1. He cut down his turnovers this year.
    2. His ball handle is improving.
    3. He lost his shot due to back from injury.
    4. He is a good defender, some people will say that is deceptive of course.
    5. He was misused.

    By the way I never think he is a super star or all star or ...that does not stop me rooting for him. He is a classy and decent person in the NBA, not like some star floppers or dirty players, or some star with bad attitude.
     
  16. roxxy

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    Easy response because teams don't close out on Lin when he shoots 3's they leave him WIDE OPEN & close off the driving lanes & dare him to shoot. The Clippers game was a perfect example Parsons grabbed a rebound & it was him & Lin in transition. Lin ran to the corner 3 Parsons passed to him & the entire Clippers team stopped & stared at Jeremy. Literally. Only an idiot would close out on a terrible 3 point shooter. Does that make sense?
     
  17. rockbox

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    I don't think anyone would complain about Lin if he averaged those numbers on a consistent basis. I (and most NBA coaches) would rather have a guy that can give me 12-15 points every night with consistent shooting than a guy who blows up for 30 one night and gives me 7 the next.
     
  18. RedEyesKirby

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    No I'm telling you your comment about both directions makes no difference in the situation. Stop trying to slippery slope your way through.
     
  19. Air Langhi

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    His turnovers are about the same as last year. It is just he handles the ball less this year.

    Last Year TOV%: 21.4 This year: 20.6
     
  20. DudeWah

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    Teams still do it. It doesn't matter. These guys have been playing basketball since they were little kids. It's basic instinct to close out on a shooter. It's like a reflex.

    Sure, I do agree at times people see it's Lin and dare him to shoot.

    But there are definitely times I have blatantly seen Lin just not even attempt to drive.

    Moreover, let's say you have a valid point. Why does Lin not drive in a bit and shoot a mid range jumper. Another point of consensus among fans of Lin who watched him during linsanity is that he has a good midrange game off the dribble.

    Why don't we see this?

    If you aren't a good 3 point shooter, be aggressive and find a way to contribute. Lin just gets passive and moves the ball like it's a hot potato.

    Does that make sense?
     

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