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Looks Like I am Paying more with Cash

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  1. rocketsjudoka

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    New Credit Card fees could be coming to stores.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/business/att...edit-card-fee-here-1C8086499?ocid=msnhp&pos=2

    Attention shoppers: Another credit card fee is here

    It could soon cost you more to shop with a credit card at some stores. As of this Sunday, Jan. 27, merchants who accept credit cards issued by Visa and MasterCard will be allowed to add a service charge to the purchase price.

    Visa and MasterCard had always prohibited merchants from doing this. They agreed to change the rules and allow the surcharge as part of the settlement of an antitrust suit brought by retailers.

    The surcharge is supposed to equal the actual cost of processing the credit card transaction, which is typically 1.5 to 3 percent. Under the agreement, the fee is capped at 4 percent. The surcharge can vary based on the type of card. For example, it could be higher for a rewards card or premier card.

    Merchants still cannot add a surcharge to debit card transactions.

    The big question is: Will any stores do this? Should you worry about paying a credit card surcharge?

    “We have discussed the settlement with many, many merchants, and not a single merchant we have spoken to plans to surcharge,” Craig Sherman, spokesman for the National Retail Federation (NRF), said in a statement. The NRF was not involved in the class action lawsuit.

    NBC News contacted some of the country’s largest retailers. Wal-Mart, Target, Sears and Home Depot said they have no plans to add a credit card surcharge.

    Credit card surcharges are banned by law in 10 states: California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Kansas, Maine, Massachusetts, New York, Oklahoma and Texas.

    Visa and MasterCard have rules that require retailers to handle credit cards the same way in all of their stores across the country. That means a chain with stores in any of the 10 states where a surcharge is banned would not be able to have a surcharge at any of its stores.

    The National Retail Federation points out that under terms of the settlement, a merchant who adds a surcharge to purchases on a Visa or MasterCard would have to do the same with American Express cards. But AMEX prohibits surcharge fees. So a merchant who accepts American Express as well as Visa/MasterCard would not be able to surcharge any of those cards.

    “The bottom line is that very few retailers would be able to surcharge under the settlement, and that the vast majority don’t want to surcharge even if they could,” the NRF’s Sherman said.

    Ed Mierzwinski, Director of Consumer Programs at U.S. PIRG agrees.

    “In the brick-and-mortar world, no one who does any sort of volume business is going to want to surcharge because it will drive their customer crazy and slow down transactions,” Mierzwinski said.

    In fact, most consumer advocates believe that except for some small retailers, a credit card surcharge is a non-issue in the short-term.

    But Edgar Dworsky, founder of ConsumerWorld.org, worries that over time surcharges will gain traction.

    ”It’s predictable what’s going to happen,” he said. “We’re at the top of the hill and we’re going to start going down that slippery slope.”

    Dworsky points out that stores factor in the cost of processing credit cards when they price their merchandise. Charging for that again, he said, would be double-dipping, unless stores rolled back their prices – which no one expects them to do.

    “We shouldn’t have gotten to the point, but unfortunately because of the court settlement we have,” Dworsky told me. “There’s no one standing up for consumers and saying that this is really bad.”

    Dworsky points to Australia, where surcharging credit card use began in 2003. At first, few merchants charged the fee. His research shows that approximately one-third of the sellers there – including some hotels, supermarkets, department stores and utilities – now charge extra to use a credit card.

    What about disclosures?
    The advocacy group Consumer Action has published a booklet on credit card checkout fees. It warns shoppers to be on the lookout for these fees and advises them to express their dissatisfaction.“Customers shouldn’t stand for it,” said Ruth Susswein Consumer Action’s deputy director of national priorities. “Our advice is to tell them you don’t like the fee and this makes you want to take your business elsewhere.”

    The new rules from Visa and MasterCard require retailers who apply a credit card surcharge to post a notice at the store’s entrance. The exact percentage of the surcharge does not need to be disclosed until the point of sale. The customer receipt must list the amount of the surcharge.

    Online stores with a surcharge will not be required to have a notice on the home page. They only need to alert shoppers about this when they reach the page where credit cards are first mentioned. In most cases, that means the final step of checkout when the purchase is being completed.

    Not the end of this story
    The settlement that allows merchants to impose a surcharge is only preliminary. The court has yet to issue its final ruling in this case. That’s expected later this year.

    Once that happens, various retailers and business groups plan to challenge the settlement. That could drag into late 2014.

    For now, the possibility that the settlement could be modified will probably keep most businesses of any size from instituting credit card fees.

    “We’re not convinced this is going to be an issue,” Consumer Action’s Susswein told me. “They may never do it, but as individual consumers we need to be aware.”
     
  2. McNultyisDrunk

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    Since Texas is one of the 10 states that bans surcharges by law, the overwhelming majority of people here have nothing to worry about. Also having a retail presence in any of the 10 states means the rules apply to all 50 states.

    This is bad news potentially for South Dakota brahs mainly.
     
  3. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    According to some posters in the Comcast thread, since this doesn't affect Texans, any opinion by a Texan on this is not acceptable and they are just trolls. :)
     
  4. Angkor Wat

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    In an ideal world, we'd be better off paying cash only for everything. These banks end up raping us in the long run.

    Most small businesses/gas stations have a credit card minimum anyways so I don't think it really effects us that much.
     
  5. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    In an ideal world, we pay everything with cards that give us rewards and/or points and immediately pay the balance off.
     
  6. VanityHalfBlack

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    This is nothing compared to what I have to pay on Ebay and Paypal fees, so bring on the surcharges to the general public!!!!!!
     
  7. ItsMyFault

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    That's some horse ****. If I see this happening a multiple merchants that I use my cards at, I'll be sticking with using my Amex.
     
  8. Jontro

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    Not having a CC is still the best financial decision I've made (aside from wasting it on chocolates and junk food).
     
  9. TexasFight

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    yes. this. i don't understand why people say not having a CC is good.

    why pass up on the rewards?

    i use my CC for everything and have never carried a balance in my entire life. i effectively use my CC like cash and pay off the full balance each month - but i get tons of rewards (amex points and/or airline miles).
     
  10. Major

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    :confused: The whole article talks about the fact that though merchants can do this, for practical reasons, basically no one will.
     
  11. Major

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    It's true for people who struggle to manage their finances - and many people have that issue. For people who pay their bills every month, it's hard to grasp why it would be difficult - but there are a lot of people who just get sucked into the debt vortex.
     
  12. DudeWah

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    So like most things in life, people with no self control struggle. Fascinating concept.

    Count me in on the get my rewards/points and pay off the balance every month side

    Plus it's a lot easier and more reliable to dispute a credit card transaction than one in which cash was used, so credit cards are more safe as well.
     
  13. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Most of the time, I pay with a credit card and as soon as the balance is posted, transfer money from my checking account to pay off the card. It is extremely rare when one of my cards has a balance the following month.
     
  14. arkoe

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    Specs seems to have found the way around the law.
     
  15. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Merchants don't have to charge the fee. Any establishment can find a way around it.
     
  16. BEAT LA

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    This.

    Get out of debt. Just do it. Make it your goal and be free from interest. You think it's not much, but it adds up to something really nice.
     
  17. Air Langhi

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    They give a cash discount. No surcharge.
     
  18. RedRedemption

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    Only the people that get credit cards and rack up debt by purchasing irresponsibility should be subject to advice like this.

    Contrary to popular belief owning a credit card is not a death sentence, just use common sense.
     
  19. arkoe

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    Right. They marked everything up 5% and then just give you the 5% back if you don't pay with a credit card.
     
  20. DreamShook

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    Reward points are awesome.
     

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