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[Y Sports Radio] Calvin Murphy: Jeremy Lin Needs The Ball In His Hands

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by bball7, Jan 25, 2013.

  1. conquistador#11

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    you don't average 110 points per game by having one guy score 110 points
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    Harden can always get his.
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    There is a chance that Lin could become a legit scoring threat one day, but he's just not there yet. Could you boost his numbers by having him handle the ball a lot more, sure, but it wouldn't really help the team, it would just inflate his numbers.
     
  3. nickg

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    No, but he's a pretty solid pg. Proven when he gets the chance. Also proven that he does a terrible Steve Blake impersonation, but makes our offense much better when he involved. Also makes the game easier for harden.

    People can cry about small sample size last year all they want. Lin will probably never replicate those numbers, but he proved what he could do with the ball in his hands. Goran put up nice numbers last year in a similar amount of time and people were about to jump off buildings when he got traded. Took what, 10 games before people were claiming liilard was great? 2 games for fuxking Beverly to become a starter. The bias/hypocrisy is showing.
     
  4. RedEyesKirby

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    No you don't understand!! He's trying to say Lin is not a superstar!! And no matter what happens, Lin is just not a superstar!! Do you get it now?? Lin is not a superstar!!
     
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  5. nickg

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    Pointed out in a previous post that he isn't, though he has a similar style of play, and again, has proven to be very effective in the same type of role. Issues or not, they are probably the best backcourt tandem and both get the ball and put up huge ****ing numbers. They do it pretty successfully as well, don't see too many 7game losing streaks. Lebron and dwade had issues as well, but now they are both big parts of the offense as well.
     
  6. AggNRox

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    why not? do you have any fact to prove your point?

    i have facts to support me. when lin is a primary ball handler, in NY and in Houston when harden was injured, lin was much better scorer and got more wins than losses. of coz, you will say the data size too small. facts are facts, no matter small or large.
     
  7. nickg

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    Play to their strengths. Westbrook ( again better than Lin, similar style)co exists with KD who is ball dominant himself. I'd rather see harden in good positions to score, not running the offense. The offense should end with harden more often than not, not go through him. Playmaking is NOT his greatest strength. His TOs, and our offense, are indicative of this
     
  8. RedEyesKirby

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    Also the fact that when Lin was the primary ball handler in Houston, Asik got his career high points and over 5 players usually have double digits.
     
  9. RickyNewport

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    He could be, but it seems as if Lin is scared to shoot. He comes off the ball to fast himself at times. This isn't NYC where he had two very good pick and roll big men and a great outside shooter. This team is full of bench players and guys who can't catch the ball or miss more wide open shots then they make. He has to score more.
     
  10. AggNRox

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    how do you get this impression? :confused: i am speechless.
     
  11. M4-Nightvision

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    ahh excuse me with all respect , harden is a good player, Harden is not Lebron or wade. this is a rocket team and the heat.

    harden is a sg and can pass abit but he is not a pg who orchastrate the offense.
     
  12. RickyNewport

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    Funny Calvin says that. His point guard would have to back the ball down the court and pass it off and run to the corner...lmao...!!!

    The point guard position was arguably the reason Calvin doesn't have a championship ring.
     
  13. nickg

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    Yes. Lin isn't a superstar pg. I think everyone with a brain agrees with this. He's a young, inexperienced pg with talent and potential. He has proven he can play at an all star level, and help his team win. Proven he can be effective. No one wants harden to Kevin martin. Well some do, but **** them, they are ignorant. There is a balance that they need to find, the coaches need to find. Even ****ing lebron couldn't win it all playing like harden is. That **** doesn't work, regardless of how fun it is to watch harden beard it up.

    We have two young, intelligent, talented players in our backcourt. I think they could figure out how to play together. Yes, harden should get the lion's share of shots, that doesn't mean you stash Lin behind the 3pt line and let harden ISO the ball time after time after time. Go back and watch the ****ing games where they played together. ****, watch the first two games of the year. Harden fuxking dominated, but Lin wasn't a statue behind the arc ( he put up some solid numbers himself, team looked damn good ).

    There isn't any reason to argue against Lin controlling the offense more. Will help everyone including harden. You actually have to guard Lin when he plays this way, when he's spotted up, he might as well be on the bench. Either some of you are completely biased against him, or just really like hardens sexybeard.
     
  14. Bobbythegreat

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    Lin turns the ball over more than 20% of the times he has the ball, Harden turns it over less than 15%, if you gave the ball to the guy who turns over the ball more often, you turn the ball over more often. You turn the ball over more, you score less.
     
  15. nickg

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    I think Lin has proven to be an extremely effective scorer. That was on the ****ing knocks, whew he had no one else. He's also shown that this year. You can ignore this if you want, but you're wrong. Well, you're right in a way, Lin can't be a scorer parked behind the three point line. What you are giving up is the chance at one of the most dynamic backcourts in the league.
     
  16. AggNRox

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    his mind set is different between playing w/o superstar and w/ superstar. i am not sure it is his fault or coaches'.
     
  17. RickyNewport

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    Bingo...
     
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    Well, you can't win a championship in the NBA without a super star or only one super star so hopefully he will be able to...
     
  19. charles_zed

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    Calvin Murphy is a LOF.

    HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT THE LOF!
     
  20. nickg

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    You also have to look at how many times harden shoots/gets to the line compared to him passing and how often lin foes for the assist ( obviously this is something he needs to work on though )You can skew the stats however you want though. Lin has the ball less, has more assists, better assist/to ratio, and also normally gets a higher percentage assist. All this from being a part of the offense.

    Also have to look at harden. His tos are up because he literally the only part of the offense doing anything alot of the time. Focus on him, gets forced into a bad position, TO. We get it, you don't like Lin, or you REALLY like harden and our stagnant ineffective ****ing offense. They are both being put in pretty bad positions.
     

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