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PPat: James is great..but we gotta share the ball

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Lucky Charm, Jan 24, 2013.

  1. Nook

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    Thank you.... it just shows that Harden is not selfish.... what was the difference? The role players hit their open shots which opened up the lane... something they have not done consistently through out the course of the season and as a result teams are sagging the paint.

    So, I guess if you want Harden to pass the ball to Lin on the perimeter, and then Lin can pass the ball to Parsons on the perimeter until there are 3 seconds on the shot clock and whomever has the ball last can shoot. The reality is that the only player still driving to the hole, through the stuffed lane is Harden... and until Lin, Parsons, Harden and Patterson hit 3's, the paint will be stuffed.
     
  2. andersongo

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    Those new Harden stans are pure gold. Starved of anything resembling a star for so long, they have turned into kobetards:

    Team wins five in a row with 1st rank offense = Wow, harden is a superstar carrying a team of scrubs.

    Team stinks for 8 games = Man, Harden got no help! And how can he play D when he has to carry this team of scubs?
     
  3. King1

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    Lol at the angry Lin fan
     
  4. glacier921

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    LOL! People here seriously thinks that just because shots are "hit," we'll score 120 points like we did earlier! Who are those guys? We scored 120 points not because we have great shooters! We scored 120 because we created easy shots for everyone. i.e. points in the paint, layups, dunks.
     
  5. loox

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    This is just unfair to PPat. He is often "commanded" to go the 3pt line to make space for JH or JL to drive. This is part of the Rocekts' offensive plan!
     
  6. jayhow92

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    Just because he shoots 3s doesn't excuse why he can't rebound. He doesn't defend on the 3-pt line.
     
  7. andersongo

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    Well, tell that to the new Harden stans highly intent in turning every criticism of Harden into yet another Lin thread. Those guys have the nerve to criticise Mc Hale's garbage offense and all they can come up with is the tautology that "if we hit our shots, our offense will be fine!". Great BBALL knowledge being imparted here.
     
  8. loox

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    Hey, how about
    A. Let your PF do a little post-up or 5 feet turnaround jumper (which he does well!!!)
    B. Let your PG dribble a little and get in rhythm or play a little Pick&Roll with him (which he does well!!!)
    C. Feed your center while he has a little open line, not when the paint is heavily jammed?
     
  9. loox

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    No doubt, PFs need to do a better job boxing out opponents on defensive end. That response was for the comment "how about cleaning up Harden's miss instead of camping out by the 3..."
     
  10. RickyNewport

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    Wow, PPat talking smack...

    I'm sure Harden would share the ball more if he wasn't on a team full of backup players and had a real head coach...
     
  11. CantGoLeft

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    In the DEN game Harden was doing a good job of passing the ball. The game was close. He had 4 assists in the first 3:30 of the 3rd quarter. Three of those assists were on shots made by Patterson.

    Then he screwed up on transition D.. 2pts DEN. TOV 3pts DEN. Screwed up again on transition D. 2pts DEN. Denver 7pt run off Harden mistakes.

    Harden got 3 more assists in the 4th quarter but the game was lost already.

    FYI during the losing streak
    Harden is 14/63 .222 from 3P.
    Morris is 13/34 .382 from 3P.
    Patterson is 7/21 .333 from 3P.
     
  12. andersongo

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    And another big issue with the half-court offense, apart from the extreme weakness of the front court, is that Harden's teammates do not buy in an offense with him playing the point because, imo, they tend to think that if they are making cuts or off the ball screens for a shooter, all their effort will not be rewarded with getting a share of the ball and the shots; that any movement on offense is nothing but a diversion to enable Harden to call his own number. This is due to Harden not trusting his teammates with the ball and his team mates not trusting Harden to give them the ball. So they all stand still and stare at Harden and vice versa. This is why I think that Harden cannot play a traditional point guard position as he does not have the mentality of a point guard, he cannot trust his team mates after they have been cold all night to still make a shot when given the ball again. He can't coax them to get out of a shooting slump by still showing confidence in them and feeding them the ball again and again. Being the 1st option, Harden tend to evaluate what is the best possible shot by using his own scoring capacity as a measuring stick: "Should I pass to him when he is dead cold or should I go commando?". And thus is born Hardenball.
    A solution will be to ditch the traditional point guard set-up, trade lin for a better shooter and institute something close to the triangle offense where Harden will have a lesser chance to ask himself that particular question :" Should I pass or call my own number?"
     
  13. CantGoLeft

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    Last year Scola averaged 7.5 rebounds per 36 min. This year it's up to 8.4 and before last year it was above 9 per 36 min. McHale's system seems to limit PF rebounds a bit.

    Patterson 6.5 rebounds per 36.
    Morris 6.6 rebounds per 36.

    They need to do better, but a lot of it has to do with the system and playing wish Asik who gets most of the defensive rebounds. The other is how Delfino is taking playing time away from our PFs when Parsons and Delfino play together.
     
  14. Easy

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    Is this thread about how Patterson plays or how Harden plays? I can't decide.
     
  15. Deckard

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    Good luck. If you figure it out, let us know! ;-)-
     
  16. sammsung987

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    could all this iso be so that harden makes the allstar game and lin doesnt?
    hardens > 25 stat padding and questionable lin benchings explained?
     
  17. PointGuardRocks

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    Its hard to explain to people who don't know jack about basketball. i just can't believe that they think it is okay for your shooting guard to be the pg. This sg as pg is the core of our problem. every issue starts from there.
    But mcfail should talk big part of the blame. he allows this to happen. he is clueless.
     
  18. Nook

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    Another LOF.
     
  19. PointGuardRocks

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    Another LOH.



    Is that all u can say.
    Gtho
     
  20. sammsung987

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    Yes thats why they play him 40 mins a game.
    They didnt even think about helping him get into all star houston. uh huh..
     

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