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PPat: James is great..but we gotta share the ball

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Lucky Charm, Jan 24, 2013.

  1. PointGuardRocks

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    is not because hardens teammates cant score. it is because the way he plays the game , it causes his teammates to be out of rhythm . honestly watch the game and compare the way his teammates play without him and how out of sync(i would call them programmed robots) they are with him.
     
  2. MambaJoe

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    Are you serious? Maybe because OKC is #1 right now because they have Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka, and Kevin Martin coming off the bench...

    Yes basketball is a team sport. But its hard to win when the entire team isn't playing well. You're acting like Harden is ball hogging and selfish... Harden is far from that. Back when he was in OKC, they had him playing PG whenever Westbrook is out of control. Harden is more than capable of being a playmaker. Its the coaches decision that had him playing ISO.

    If Harden just stop shooting and just passes the ball, the team will be much worst. No one can hit a shot. I can't recall how many times Patterson air balls or bricks a wide open 15 footer. Its all about trust. Right now, Harden doesn't trust his teammates as much as before. Plus, this is the first time he's the number 1 guy on a team. He's still trying to figure out how to lead a team.

    After the game, Harden said he's trying to figure out how to lead a team better and be a better leader. You can't fault a player that went from a sixth man to the number 1 guy and averaging 25/4/5... But anyway, if the rest of the team can find ways to chip in more, then we won't be having these problems. Harden has a few problems also, but right now, his problems isn't a major concern.
     
  3. Second_Cousin

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    Lin has been inconsistent, but to say he "has not been effective at all" shows that you either haven't watched all the games or you're lying to play on ppl's bias of their memories of more recent games.

    These are games in which he has had either double digit pts or assists (25 out of 44 games, 57% of the games). I personally consider the ones in bold to be Lin's good games this season.

    Det 10/31 - 12p / 8a / 4r / 4s --> W
    Atl 11/1 - 21p / 7a / 10r / 0s --> W
    Por 11/3 - 13p / 7a / 3r / 3s --> L
    Mem 11/9 - 15p / 3a / 5r / 2s --> L
    Por 11/16 - 11p / 11a / 6r / 1s --> L
    LAL 11/18 - 5p / 10a / 1r / 1s --> L
    UTA 11/19 - 13p / 3a / 6r /0s --> L
    NYK 11/23 - 13p / 3a / 7r / 2s --> W
    TOR 11/27 - 16p / 10a / 4r / 3s --> W
    UTA 12/1 - 19p / 8a / 3r / 1s --> W
    SA 12/10 - 38p / 7a / 3r / 2s --> L
    WAS 12/12 - 10p / 6a / 5r / 0s --> W
    NYK 12/17 - 22p / 9a / 4r / 2s --> W
    PHI 12/19 - 18p / 6a / 2r / 1s --> W
    Mem 12/22 - 15p / 11a / 6r / 2s --> W
    CHI 12/25 - 20p / 11a / 1r / 1s --> W
    SA 12/28 - 21p / 8a / 4r / 4s --> L
    ATL 12/31 - 16p / 8a / 4r / 4s --> W
    CLE 1/5 - 20p / 5a / 4r / 1s --> W
    LAL 1/8 - 19p / 5a / 6r / 4s --> W
    BOS 1/11 - 12p / 6a / 5r / 3s --> L
    LAC 1/15 - 12p / 10a / 1r / 2s --> L
    DAL 1/16 - 19p / 4a / 3r / 1s --> L
    IND 1/18 - 10p / 5a / 3r / 0s --> L
    MIN 1/19 - 12p / 2a / 4r / 2s --> L

    13W and 12 L.

    The other 19 games, he averaged 28 mins, which is 5 mins less than his season average of 33 mins. 9W and 10L.

    He's not linsanity this year that's without a doubt. He has been hugely inconsistent. But to say he has "not been effective at all" isn't true either.
     
  4. Raven

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    Let me sum up the problem. Harden was traded for and immediately made alpha dog, similar to Franchise, similar to a lot of NBA stars, actually. He didn't have to earn it. It was given to him. The fact that he did earn it in OK doesn't matter. He wasn't alpha there and now he's alpha here. That's going to create some tension. It's natural. It's to be expected. It's life in the NBA. No big deal.

    There is one concern, however, that Harden won't learn to adjust once Morey eventually (if ever) lands another star player. I think the shots can become addictive, the points, the rankings, all of that, and Harden will have to accept his numbers taking a dip once we get a legit second option.
     
  5. PointGuardRocks

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    yup most commentators and bias fools only focus on ppg. if harden is an asian american like lin. they will be all over him right now for him turnover. its sad but true. not all but most of them.
     
  6. CantGoLeft

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    Not just points but swing in momentum.

    I like Harden, but these three plays when watched on dvr make him look really bad especially when they worked on D the day before in practice.
     
  7. MambaJoe

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    Even when Harden goes to the bench, the team gets worst offensively. Whenever Harden is on the bench, the team has trouble finding a decent look. Take a look at our roster, besides Harden, who else is a scoring threat? Harden often make plays for them but they just can't hit any shots.

    Plus, the offense is just terrible. There's no type of plays at all. That's not Harden's fault. The coaches should change things up. They kept sending Asik out to run a pick and roll with Harden which does not work. The defense would just double Harden and Asik just can't catch the ball. I love the Lin and Harden pick and roll but they rarely do it for some reason.

    If they are running ISO, the rest of the team should be setting screens for each other to get a player open like Parsons or Delfino. They should keep setting screens but apparently, no one does it. Patterson is a terrible screen setting anyway. There was a play where Harden ran around a screen and drove to the basket. He then made a sharp pass to Patterson who was standing like 15 feet from the basket and had a clear lane. Instead of taking it strong, Patterson just settles for a jumpshot and ended up air balling a 15 footer...
     
  8. NotInMyHouse

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    It's racism once again!!!

    :mad:

    Whatever happened to being a ROCKETS fan?
     
  9. MambaJoe

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    I'm not talking about Lin not being effective this entire season. I'm talking about Lin not being effective at all the past few games where the Rockets are struggling.
     
  10. PointGuardRocks

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    come on Man!!!!!!!!!!!!! stop focusing on the 25ppg and pay attention to the way harden plays . watch all the game again!!!!!. And o yeah, he share the ball because he have 5 assist .. ha. u r hilarious .
    And he is no leader!!!!! i think u mean he is the leader of the 25ppg.
     
  11. PointGuardRocks

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    lets just use the word bias
     
  12. mike_lu

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    You should check the team's plus/minus with and without Harden
     
  13. Lucky Charm

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    MambaJoe, I hate to see you arguing with that jackass troll PointGuardRocks. I understand some people aren't aware of what an ironic troll is but he's purposely doing it to get under your skin by spewing ridiculous nonsense and making Lin fans look bad, sadly it's working, I've already seen some quote him and say "this is why I hate Lin fans!! :mad:".

    I already posted in the Feedback asking Clutch if he can check if it's Sigmund again :rolleyes:

    However if you ARE aware he's just a troll and want to debate with it out of pure entertainment, then do carry on sir. :p


    P.S. mike_lu, you are awesome.
     
  14. PointGuardRocks

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    and what is the cause of it.. they are playing him as a sg and letting harden be the pg.

    dont tell me u cant c that during the game.
    free dmo
     
  15. PointGuardRocks

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    dude, this is an internet forum. stop hallucinating
     
  16. charles_zed

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    The coaching staff haven't asked him to ISO, in fact McHale has also commented about it in the past. Basically they don't want too many ISOs they want to pass the ball around.

    The problem of course, is that the offense sucks, so Harden chooses to ISO. So while McHale hasn't told him to ISO, he basically makes him ISO.
     
  17. OpportunityCost

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    Delfino complained about the offense earlier too; saying it was too "predictable".
     
  18. OpportunityCost

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    "You know, but we all try to make plays for ourselves and sometimes for our teammates, when really we should just pass the ball, move the ball, set screens, sacrifice ourselves to make this team a better team."

    -PPat

    “We become too predictable sometimes,” Delfino said. “Just because we know we have a guy like James creating and Jeremy, even if you are going to finish with pick-and-roll, from my point of view, you should be able to get another play before that pick-and-roll happens. It’s better to finish with a pick-and-roll in the last 10 seconds than the first five or 10 seconds, because the defense is already set.”

    -Delfino


    The fans see it, the players see it, but I guess McHale doesn't.
     
  19. OpportunityCost

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    Thank you! "We don't like the message, so lets attack the messenger." What he is saying is spot on! I think it's just a very keen observation by Patterson.
     
  20. jclee

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    for sure!
     

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