dude , seriously, u made it sound like everyone but harden is to blame. watch some more basketball and come back and post. when u ask for the ball every freaking time, thats call hero ball. i dont know how u can say he makes his teammates better. most of the time when harden gets the ball he tells everyone to stand on the arc so he can go to the basket. and if he can't he will pass with couple of seconts left and his teammates have to force a 3. if anything , is his teammates that makes him better . this is a team sport. when you play with a fake PG wanna be. everyone will suffer. there will be no chemistry. dude stop defending the guy, face reality not running away from it. most nba player can score over 20 ppg if given the ball 30 to 40 times . he is no superstar
how the hell he will get the rebound when the game plan is to stand on the arc and let harden drive. half the game the play we run is iso harden drive to the basket. and harden shoot 3s or long 2 . the opposing team knew what to do every time. they knew where to box out....etc.
It's quite stunning when a young role player so unabashedly calls out a franchise caliber teammate. This signals a level of dissension that is likely far worse than what's already been reported. I don't think he's right or wrong for doing so; it's simply the symptom of an underlying, more fundamental problem. And that problem is mac's comical over-emphasis on harden iso's. So it's really on mac and not on harden. Harden, like lin, is simply following orders.
patpat and harden both average 4.5 rebs a game he cant talk cause if he rebounded more then maybe we would have more success as well
Even if pat's skillset is limited, it doesn't mean he isn't telling the truth. Does pat have a track record of whining about the coaching, or of calling out his teammates? The fact that he is may be a sign of severe dissension within the team.
Two things really stand out about posters in this thread here 1) Many cannot separate 2Pat the Soft Forward that doesn't rebound well, from the intelligent mature person that he is (and as the longest tenured Rocket on the team), and whether his comments are worthy of analysis/discussion. 2Pat did not say Harden needs to 'hit a shot', or 'reduce TOs', his comments were regarding style of play. 2) I'm surprised 2Pat didnt get labelled a LOF in this thread for: - Not worshiping Harden in His Entirety - Actually saying that Harden dribbles excessively, passing the ball only at the last minute, playing here/iso-ball, not trusting in the system and not sharing the ball - Saying that when we share the ball, we have won. That the way we play leads to our FG%, not the way we shoot leads to the way we play (unlike quite a few here that thinks when we hit our shots, our 120-pts offense will return). IMO, regardless of how well or not he has played, his comments are spot on. And by speaking out, there are three upsides and no downside. Downside is we continue to lose, which we were already doing. Upside 1) Everybody (including Harden) takes a deeper look at themselves, and we go back to playing team offense, and play better hopefully translating into wins 2) Coaches get pissed because they worship Harden as well, and 2Pat goes to the bench and we get to see some Jones/DMo 3) Morey gets pissed for the same reason, and 2Pat gets traded so we can either get back a better 4, or we start to play Jones/DMo
Sorry for the double post, but keep in mind that pat is playing alongside one of the most dominant rebounders in the game in asik. He's also playing 13 fewer mpg than harden. Third, mac's bizarre offense, which calls for every player aside from asik to stand at the 3 pt line and wait for a harden kickout, is going to put PF's at a disadvantageous position as far as offensive rebounding is concerned.
Not to worry, this won't be the same line-up pretty soon. Morey will be sending some asses packin', and do you think it would be Harden's? In fact, he said he will not be picky about position, only quality. So he knows we have problems in all positions except for the starting SG. Losing streaks will cause team morale to plummet. Let the guys talk. But they need to back up their talk with their play. Otherwise, you get benched and booted out. Last year PPat also played terrible. His rookie year under Adelman he had good stretches, but that's also because he was playing with veterans. This year it was on him to improve. And I have the feeling it's because he doesn't have the BBIQ to know how to play the game at a high level. He just plays what the coaches instruct him to do; he doesn't read the game and does the little things that amount to winning plays.
I give Ppat alot of respect for telling it like it is. He might have flaws in his game but i respect him for speaking his mind when he knows it might not be popular with alot of people. When Harden shares ball, rockets win. When melo shares ball, knicks win. When Kobe shares ball, if it ever happens, lakers will win.
he is not playing well.. but HARDEN and LIN have to make their decision faster and pass the ball better!
One thing that I've noticed, which may also be indicative of declining morale: it seems like the total number of posts has dropped off drastically in just the past few days. All of the arguments have simply evaporated, replaced by a vacuum of silence.
Because it gets old blaming everything on the starting PG when that is only part of the problem. But you can't blame anyone else here other than the PFs (that are playing), and you can't blame the coaches, the system, the rotations etc or you get labelled LOF. So what's to discuss? The Vipers snake charmers dance squad
Point taken. It just seems like the fan base has given up as well. We can count on morey to be the level headed one throughout the ups and downs, but I wonder if this team might be better off if someone in the front office showed a little more fire (no pun intended).
