The official James Harden is not a legitimate #1 option thread

Would you like to put an argument together for that statement?

 

Since we're calling out members, Durvasa, a respected member has said that he enjoys Torocan's comments. *Gasp! You don't have to agree with Torocan but the way you're going about, trying to minimize his input is odd.

I like knowledgeable fans that that don't make knee jerk reactions, who provide stats.

 

In all seriousness, with the right coach - to me, coaches have a lot of influence, Harden can be a legitimate #1 option. He's got the talent and upside, he's only 23.

 

That's the thing though, members like Torocan and Durvasa (i.e., knowledgeable bball fans), put the stats into context and to me, don't try to push an agenda. They explain where they get their info and what it means.

Stats aren't everything but when they're put into context, i'm cool with that.

 

Read much? My problem isn't with Torocan; I said as much. It's with the half-witted droves that quote him as gospel.

 

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This is a ridiculous statement. torocan blatantly has extreme bias towards Lin. All his stats are used to defend Lin.

And you're telling me he's not trying to push an agenda?

 

"put the stats into context and to me, don't try to push an agenda".

Sometimes you'll see him respond to idiot, knee jerk comments so it might seem like he's defending Lin but if the comments weren't so moronic he wouldn't have to provide stats or explain how to defend basic screens in the first place. As long as the stats are put into context, links are provided and the discussion is civil, I don't have issue with members that provide stats.

 

There really is nothing wrong with this thread. Another Rockets fan questioning if the player acquired is truly one to build the team around. I don't feel like he's bashing the player at all. The rest of the new shmucks in here that are just bashing the thread are just as bad as any lof yof loh or matt maloney only fans.
Seriously this forum is starting to turn into one giant mike judge episode of Beavis and Butthead. Anyways....
my two cents are is that from what he has shown, he could develop into one of the best shooting guards of this upcoming generation of players. A fair assessment is still pretty hard to make without getting the man any form of help and it is his very first season in alot of ways. It is his first season of shouldering a team on his own. It is his first season under a new system... with that being said... The boy is only 23, damn near the top of the scoring leaderboards, and with questionable coaching staff and surrounding roster has this team still in play off contention. I'd say whether he's a first or second option... He's at least a legit option. Great court vision and scores with ease...... That's an all star superstar for years to come. I hope this team is extremely dedicated to at least attempting in assisting him by finding one or more legit options to play with..... And no, lin is not a legit option...

 

Jesus what's next are Lin fanboys gonna start a thread arguing Parsons is not good looking?

 

It's one thing to question whether Harden is truly a number 1 option...

But when your main argument is that his first season with a brand new team at the age of 23 equals Joe Johnson's best season and use that as a definitive way of saying he'll never be a top option is just wrong on so many levels.

 

Are you saying that there are members here without any bias?
Everyone has an opinion and a bias. Having an opinion itself requires a bias.

 

How much of this thread is Rockets Dynasty arguing with himself?

 

To elaborate, it is not the bias/opinion that is the problem, it is arguing from an emotional standpoint without reasonable stats and facts to back up that viewpoint.

Torocan has presented his arguments thus far in a very reasonable, well-researched manner. He has been one of the best posters on this board since he has been here. Most of us have been much more immature in our arguments -- no matter which side we are arguing.

It's shameful that some are putting down a good poster like torocan just because we don't like his opinion.

 

Hahahahahhahahahahhhahahahaaha.

 

Rockets fans don't have bias against Rockets players. Produce and Rockets fans will love you. Don't produce and Rockets fans will criticize you. Rockets fans are biased of their players compared to players of other teams. But if Player A is producing more and helping to win more than Player B, Rockets fans will not say Player B is better.

Hence, within the scope of this message board pertaining to Rockets players, Rockets fans are very much unbiased. Extreme knee jerk reactions or blowing things out of proportions? Yes. But this isn't player based. Feel free to do a search on Rafer Alston + Teardrop if you actually believe Rockets fans won't rip apart a generic NBA PG with no special background.

 

What's up with all these discussions about Harden is not a legitimate #1 option, Lin is a joke, Patterson is a joke, Parson sucks, Asik is useless offensively and we have the weakest bench in the league? Oh my god, should the youngest team in the NBA and its players not given time? or should we just send the whole team to D-league?

 

Gosh! IT is SO tough to have one of only 9 players this year scoring 20 or more! A guy that doesn't need 25 shots to get 25 points. A guy that can get to the line more than the other team. GOSH HARDEN IS NOT A NUMBER ONE OPTION. He is 23 years old we better trade him now! DRIPPING WITH SARCASM..

I was watching JJ play the other night, and thought to myself, man, I'm glad we have James Harden. James Harden might not be a championship number one option, who knows, but he's darn good, and I'm pleased to have him as our number one option!

 

That's a big generalization and also untrue. "Produce" is something that is subjective to measure, and stats only do that in an imperfect but more objective way.

Look at the threads and posts -- everything is based on opinion of who is producing and what seems to work better, whether coaching is good or bad. That's why posts like the above are poor in quality, compared to someone like torocan's.

 

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