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As of right now, is Lin one of the worst starting PG's in the NBA?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DudeWah, Jan 21, 2013.

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Is he one of the worst?

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  2. No.

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  3. Y U A LOH DOE BRAH?

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  1. rocketlauch

    rocketlauch Member

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    http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/jeremy_lin/career_stats.html

    Check out JLin's D-League stats...he was a 36% 3pt shooter in D-League, and I'm sure he's practiced over 50,000 shots since then...the only difference is that he was most likely taking 3s off the dribble, and not set shot 3s...which is by far the worst shot in his arsenal. Also, when looking at which type of 3 pointer is most essential for an actual PG, I would think it would be the 3 off the dribble. If you're a PG, you'll have the ball in your hands a good deal of time, and should be able to make the opposing team pay if they're slacking off you. The set shot 3 is really not as important, since if you're a good passer, most likely the ball won't be coming back to you after you've passed to an assist or hockey assist.
     
  2. rocketlauch

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    The point I'm trying to make is that if you're a good distributor, you'll never be in a position to take a fully set shot, since the passes you make will lead to assists or hockey assists, and the ball will never get back to you. Now, making a 3 off the dribble I think would be more important, since it would open up passing lanes once you do have control of the ball, and are dribbling around with it.
     
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    There is no excuse for him to not learn how to shoot off the catch and shoot. If he can make three's off the dribble, then he can make them off a catch and shoot. He just needs to practice it a little.

    That's just a lack of proper work ethic.
     
  4. Bublanski

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    shooting is shooting.

    this is what i hate about sabremetrics/analytics, it gives people excuses and a set of statistics to back it up.

    what, every 3 that Lin takes now has to be off the dribble?

    smdh.
     
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    Oh God, lack of proper work ethic? I highly doubt that. Like s.hit out of my behind.
     
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    WTF. Some people would consider Calderon better than Wall. What's your great point?
     
  7. DudeWah

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    LOL ok brah, I realize you just started watching basketball yesterday, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

    Both Wall and Calderon are better than Lin. That's my point :)
     
  8. Skyhoop

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    If you don't like sabremetrics/analytics, you're following the wrong team with Morey as GM, lol.
     
  9. Pukimonster

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    I think if you had Lin as primary playmaker w/ the starting 5, you'd get a better sense of where he stacks up.

    Right now Lin is in the Jason Kidd role when Felton's on the floor. Or in the Chauncey Billups role when CP3 is on the floor.
     
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    DudeWah likes little boys...
     
  11. Bublanski

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    im a big morey supporter and i support sabremetrics/analytics, i think its necessary and its here to stay.

    I was just calling out that poster for trying to excuse Lin's poor shooting.
     
  12. SK34

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    And they do good in that role in both distributing and scoring.
     
  13. Skyhoop

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    Except that poster happens to be right. It's not an excuse, it's the essence of what Les and Morey are doing. It's the whole point of the fancy new equipment Les installed for Morey.

    From the article about the newly installed equipment described at http://www.fastcodesign.com/1670059/moneyball-20-how-missile-tracking-cameras-are-remaking-the-nba :
     
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    Why don't we examine our perception of Harden

    It would help the Rockets more if we ask the question: Should Harden start when his seven game FG% is below 40% and his yearly FG% is in the low 40's. ?Why do we call him a Super Star when his FG% is only two points above Lin's, his turnover's per game is greater, his assists are lower than Lin's per game,(as of this writing Lin is ranked 8th in assists among NBA PG's), and Lin is ranked 3rd in the NBA in steals which is higher than Harden's rank.
     
  15. gamer4Life

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    Calderon for Lin + Douglas? Yes / No?
     
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    Chandler's gonna be so jealous that Lin is going back to his original boytoy Landry.
     
  17. Bublanski

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    actually it is an excuse for his poor shooting.

    he's trying to use a d league stat refined to what his % is when he shoots a 3 off the dribble.

    Fact of the matter is Lin is in the nba, not the d league and he's shooting 28% from 3.

    I dont care what his % is when he shoots and farts at the same time or whatever extrapolated statistic you come up with.
     
  18. gamer4Life

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    lol never thought of that.


    Cole Aldrich, Toney Douglas, Jeremy Lin

    for

    Jose Calderon and Landry Fields
     
  19. wukong

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    Interesting facts on 3 point%
    JLin
    October 0
    November 26.3
    December 29.2
    January 29.5
    Last 10 33.3
    Season 28

    Yep he needs to improve % but JLin is trending up which is good news.
     
  20. Skyhoop

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    I would hope that Morey has access to the actual SportsVu data for in game performance, and thus no need to extrapolate from d-league data. The level of competition between the d-league and the nba is different, thus results aren't entirely comparable when you account for defender aptitude. But one benefit is that the 3pt line is the same distance in the d-league and the nba, which means it's a bit better than trying to translate from college stats where the distance is different, and still retaining the opponent defender inequality problem. But you don't see anyone complaining about scouts or teams using college stats to determine drafting choices and extrapolations.

    If he shoots better after farting, I'd tell him to load up on beans. Just as in the previous example of the article, if Durant shoots better after 1 dribble instead of 2 dribbles, then you tell him to dribble once and not twice. Or if you're playing against Durant and the data tells you (for some inexplicable reason) that he shoots worst when the defender is 3 ft away, instead of 1 feet away or 5 feet away, then you tell the guys to defend him from 3 ft away.
     

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