So can we all agree that Joe Flacco is an elite QB?

Your comment here is like me saying...

Brady can beat the Browns...In the playoffs, not so much.

 

Btw, Schaub had 8 completions of 40+ yards....same number as Brady and one more than Rodgers and Manning. Plus, those teams have many more weapons on offense....imagine the texans with Jennings, Nelson, and Cobb. Yet, Rodgers connected deep one less time than Schaub. I'm also willing to bet Schaub attempted less deep balls than Rodgers, so he's also more efficient with it too.

 

The last 7 weeks were brutal though. Schaub really struggled to get touch downs regardless of whatever other numbers he put up. He may have helped beat the Broncos at the start of the season, but he certainly wasn't playing like he would have done the same thing by the end of the year. Certainly the defense is a big factor in their struggles, but Schaub only had 3 touchdowns (2 of which were scored when the team was already being blown out vs the Patriots) and 5 interceptions in the last 6 games. If your best characteristic is being an accurate thrower who takes care of the ball, then that's not good enough.

The Texans could certainly do worse than Schaub, but he hasn't done anything to make you think he is anything more than slightly above average at this point. Especially when the pressure is the highest (clinching home field advantage, Monday/Sunday night national TV games, play offs). In the end Schaub ended up with 9 touchdowns and 8 interceptions against playoff teams for the year.

 

Elite = Tom Brady, Peyton Manning...
Good = Flacco, Eli etc..
Decent = Schaub, Dalton
Trash = Tebow
Butt Fumble - Sanchez..

rookie qbs.. give them 2 more years to prove themselves.. for elite level you need more than 4+ season i think or for me at least.

 

I know we can all agree on one thing at least.

Matt Schaub is a pro bowler this season and Flacco is not. :grin:

 

The completion % over 41+ yard throws is surprising, but their touch down to interception ratio is not.
Matt Schaub:http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/5615/matt-schaub

Pass Thrown 11-20 yds 58 completions/102 attempts 56.9%
Pass Thrown 21-30 yds 8 completions/ 26 attempts 30.8%
Pass Thrown 31-40 yds: 3 completions/13 attempts 23.1%
Pass Thrown 41+ yds: 3 completions/ 4 attempts 75.0% (all 3 completions being in the Denver game).

22 touchdowns/12 interceptions

Aaron Rodgers: http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/8439/aaron-rodgers
Pass Thrown 11-20 yds: 57 completions/101 attempts 56.4%
Pass Thrown 21-30 yds: 14 completions/ 35 attempts 40.0%
Pass Thrown 31-40 yds: 4 completions/ 7 attempts 57.1%
Pass Thrown 41+ yds: 1 completion/6 attempts 16.7%

39 touchdowns/ 8 interceptions

 

Yep, which is why I got more and more angry at Son of Bum as the game went on yesterday. The game plan was right in front of us as to how to stop the Patriots. Stay patient, sit back and let Brady throw those underneath routes all game, and don't get flustered by the mismatches and no-huddle they use to try and create mayhem. Instead, like a bunch of gomers, we go in there and play right into their hands. We blitz him hard and heavy all game, we let Wes Welker and Shane ****ing Vereen run rampant on our gooey-soft LBs, and we panic like a bunch of Beakers (from the Muppets) whenever they moved into their no-huddle. The more I think about it, the more I want to spam Wade's Twitter account with get-rich-quick schemes and Communist propaganda.

 

Oh, and Flacco is pretty good. He played a clean game, and didn't let the Patriots get to him by forcing the ball where it shouldn't go.

 

SB wins?

Great Stats?

Flacco has neither. He's always been inconsistent. Maybe he can make an Eli like claim to being elite by making big plays in a couple of SBs, but until then, absolutely not. Doesn't hurt to play fairly weak D's. Once NE lost Talib, their pass defense was screwed.

 

Not elite. Looks like the winning QB in this years Superbowl will join Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer in the list of game managers on great teams that bring home the Lombardi trophy.

 

Joe Flacco's the same QB he's been for the last 4 seasons. He can step it up in the post season, but damn he's got an elite level of consistent adequacy.

 

In what way is Colin Kaepernick a 'game manager' or comparable at all?

 

says who?? the texans managed 7 points with schaub under center in their first matchup.. tj added another 7..

in the playoffs, when the pats defense was trying, matt schaub did absolutely nothing.. really he did nothing. the first 13 points, it was all foster and manning. even graham converted on a FG that he rarely makes.. then the game was over after that. schaub put his defense in a bad spot by continuously giving the pats the ball back.. schaub then put up some points on a soft defense when the game was well out of hand.. i think, realistically, had the defense stepped up, the pats probably score 17-24 points, and im not convinced matt schaub does anything to respond especially with the pats defense playing in a tight game..

we could have very well seen a final score of 20-13 had the defense stepped up. schaubs yards/TDs after 38-13 are fools gold..

 

in the 1st half flacco did absolutely nothing only had 81 yards, 0 TDs, and ray rice and bernard price were carrying the team, with a 1 TD.
against the colts, most of the big plays came from ray rice and bernard price.

yeah schaub put the defense in a bad stop, when the defense allowed a TD in the first drive in the 3rd quarter, they were so tired at that series.
and yeah those dropped passes were schaub fault, the TD that Casey dropped was because of Schaub.

the texans defense, never had a turnover, the ravens had 3 turnovers, when the patriots were going to score, but yeah all those INTs, were because of flacco.

 

What the hell are you smoking? Colin and Flacco already have better careers than the Brad Johnsons and the Trent Dilfers. Those guys can win games, not just manage.

 

Agree with your assessment. I think Flacco (and Eli) are both in the 2nd tier of NFL quarterbacks, with occasional flashes of great play especially in the playoffs. "2nd tier" meaning good...even very good, but not elite.

 

this is where im at, i just want people to realize there is a whole entire category between what separates schaub from elite.. roethlisberger is another guy that falls into this category..

 

Rodgers and Brees are elite.

 

Rothlesberger is an interesting case as well.

The thing about Flacco is that he is still fairly young.