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Interesting Read -[REALGM] What Harden Needs

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by RocketsMAN!, Jan 21, 2013.

  1. kcal

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    OK, thank you LOH. I appreciate your "insights."
     
  2. LosPollosHermanos

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    Lin is not asked to stand in a corner and shoot. Is TD asked to stand in a corner and shoot? What makes you think that?

    They take over and dominate because they have the skills to do so and will to influence the game.

    Sorry but if you truly believe that Lin just sits there and stands for threes then that is a huge misonception. Tony Douglas is seen as a lesser player and seems to do what he wants.

    Our offense is designed that. At the same time, a lot of LOF criticize the offense for being that way yet whine that Lin is forced to sit there and shoot.

    Nobody is waiting with a paddle in the locker room ready to get Lin cheek-red if he actually tries to play.
     
  3. LosPollosHermanos

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    Why is my post wrong? You think that Lin can turn into cp3 if the coach dissapears and his evil plan to ruin Lin fails? Lin controls Lin.
     
  4. glacier921

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    First off, I'll say that I'm a Lin supporter just to get that out of the way. For me personally, Lin is awesome in the fast breaks, run and gun offense. Controls the tempo and accelerates when he sees an opening. That is when he is a great player. Take that away from him, and guess what? We go on a 7 game losing streak. We were the number 1 offense and it is slowly slipping away. Yes, Lin is not a great shooter and all that, but you have to admit, it was because of Lin we had the number 1 offense for that short stretch of time. For some strange reason, Mchale went back to the old offensive sets and now we're losing. Hell, even Harden said that playing and beating the Bobcats was like winning a championship.

    Just trade him or bench him and see how well the team does. I can almost guarantee you that the team will pan out just like the 7 game losing streak team. Hell, even today's team is the same as the previous 7, except we played the Bobcats, and we barely won.
     
  5. wukong

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    The game on Saturday even the announcers were saying that everyone just stands around the 3 point line watching Harden. It is not only Lin that is being forced to stand and watch and relegated to shoot a 3.

    If you watch a game it is more and more frequent this same play over and over. This is boring and also not very effective. We BARELY won tonight against the Bobcats people!!!

    Harden's great FT#s are not going to get the team far. We need everyone on the team playing their part. as in TEAM basketball. That is when we actually score the highest points on offense.

    Or we can have Harden ( who is a great basketball player) do all he can essentially all alone and we will be able to win just like the Lakers.... oh wait ... I forgot...How is that working out for them???
     
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    Who took that away from him? He has every opportunity to make plays in this dumb run and gun offense. Its absurd that people say everything has to change so Lin can dribble around and jack up shots. The great players in this league just get the ball and take the game over. If anything it's Lin not having confidence to step up and try it when Hardens around. I'm sure Harden would love nothing more than someone else to step up and take some of that load off him. I promise you Harden's game won't suffer if Lin started averaging 20 and 10. Why does Lin's game suffer if Harden takes alot of shots like he should be? Sounds like a built in excuse and I'm not buying it.
     
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    Your missing the point. It has nothing to do w/ Lin, it has to do w/ the coaching staff. It's not Lin being "aggressive" enough. Look at when Beverly came in, it was doing the SAME EXACT thing. Spot up 3s. I think Torocan put up some pictures of when Beverly was in, there were literally 6 photos of him standing in the corner 3s. Also, download the Minny game from torrents and watch it again. Even Matt Bullard was upset at the ISO plays.

    Bottom line, it has NOTHING to do w/ Lin's decisions, but it was the coaching decision all along.

    You can say, oh, Lin has to adapt to Mchale. Fine. But, we went into a 7 game losing streak and barely beat the Bobcats. Until we go back to that run and gun offense, there is no way this team is going anywhere.
     
  9. Rodman23

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    needs more free throws
     
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    I'm not even saying he has to adapt. I doubt the coaches plan is to run iso's with Harden while everyone camps at the 3 all day. Nobody else is doing anything consistently. Beverly does get into the lane often forcing the action and dishing out. That guy is like a crazy ball of energy making things happen so we must be watching different games. Lin could be more aggressive and take the game into his hands all on his own it just seems like he's playing extremely passively. As a Rockets fan I evaluate all the players on what i see so I'm not hating on Lin. I think the talent is there..he still needs a great deal of polishing..but he might be missing the mindset.
     
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    Really? You don't think it was the coach's decision? Everyone was standing in their spots on almost every play similar to the beginning of the season. When we were winning that 10 games in 12 stretch, we were all transitioning. When players got rebounds or steals, I didn't see many full court transition during this losing streak. Just download the torrents of the games w/ the 7 game losing streak. I think it's on this forum. But if you can't, try googling "Rockets vs Charlotte 2013 forum torrent." It usually has a thread with all the Rockets games within this system. They're going back to exactly the same offensive sets from game 1 to 24. We went to transition, run and gun offense for about 12 games after that (with the exception to toronto). And starting from New Orleans, we've been doing offensive sets from games 1-24 again.

    It's not Lin being passive or not aggressive. He has problems, yes, such as a weak shooting touch, but we can turn on that same offense again if Mchale will just return to it. I just don't get Mchale.
     
  12. Type Raba

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    lin is not a spot shooter. you can fault him for not being a spot shooter, but you cant fault him for failing at something that he isnt good at to begin with. the criticism should go to the coaching staff and upper management for not using him in a way that actually helps the team win. its as if dwight howard was chosen to shoot a game winning technical. do you scream at dwight for being such a poor ft shooter? or the coach who designated him that role knowing full well he aint good at it?
     
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    i think that the schedule has worn down our team, clearly we are not playing at the level we were earlier in the season. once we get off the road i think our play will pick back up, we have a stretch of 7 home games and the rockets need to capitalize on those games. being on the road and playing heavy minutes have taken a toll on our players legs, and once the legs get tired the shots dont fall as easy.

    as far as harden, i think he has proved he is an all star and a top 5 shooting guard in this league. he has a well rounded game which takes the pressure off our team, not to mention he can dish out some assists. what worries me is that the refs might not be giving him the calls during the playoffs, harden has been really fortunate the refs have been giving him a lot of love this season.

    i do agree that lin and harden have had difficulty co-existing in the starting 5, and that both players need the ball in their hands to produce. their are instances where we have seen that they can ball together, but i think it will take more time for them to gel. in general i think jeremy's PG ability is still very raw, he is too one dimensional right now. dont get me wrong, i think that he has shown great potential thus far but for now the offense has been running better through harden when it should be directed by lin. its a bit too early to tell, but the harden + beverly combo is not looking too bad. lin taking the bench might not be a bad idea, until he can refine his PG abilities. IMO (and i like lin) he is the weak link on our starting 5, but i dont think he is being properly utilized.
     
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    Typical hater perspective, polarizing and exaggerating based on ONE or a few Lin fans posts, then claim victory.
     
  15. robrhodes

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    Maybe teams adapted their strategy and they give up some offensive rebounding to get back on d faster. The half court offense suffers because this team is young and not that talented. I agree the coaches offensive sets are crap but that has been the case all year not just lately. I'm getting tired of getting in an argument about lin every time i make a post here sheesh. I think he's a good player and can become a solid piece with hard work. I just wish he was more aggressive is all.
     
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    But it is his fault for not making it. This offense will not be tailored made for Lin, ever. Either Lin adapts to it by improving his shots or he will have to find another team.
     
  17. glacier921

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    Really? The offense is better through Harden? During the losing streak, the ball was in Harden's hands ALL the time. Even Matt Bullard was upset at this during the Minny game. I'm not saying Harden isn't a good player, he is a really good shooter and can drive really well, but this losing streak is not on the players, and certainly not on Lin or Harden. It's the coaches w/ their stagnant half court sets. I think Harden would certainly agree that he would rather have that run and gun offense we had earlier in the season.
     
  18. Defense

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    agreed, Harden needs to run less ISO, teamball please. KOBE 2.0 isn't a good thing when you don't have a shaq in the middle
     
  19. kcal

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    Don't waste your breath. Our 'conversation' was over before it ever started. Good luck to you.

     
  20. kcal

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    I didn't realize hermanos was an LOH. It actually took a few posts.
     

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