1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Interesting Read -[REALGM] What Harden Needs

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by RocketsMAN!, Jan 21, 2013.

  1. ausbear

    ausbear Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2006
    Messages:
    65
    Likes Received:
    1
    Harden is best when Lin runs the offence.
     
  2. Sydeffect

    Sydeffect Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2010
    Messages:
    5,923
    Likes Received:
    448
    Mario Chalmers would be perfect on this team, but doubt he gets traded
     
  3. torocan

    torocan Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2012
    Messages:
    4,228
    Likes Received:
    436
    Starter is just a title. Staggering minutes is essentially playing him with the second unit most of the time, which is what many LOF are actually hoping will happen.

    So no, having him in a 6th man role isn't a problem. That doesn't mean he's not a starter, it just means you're playing him away from Harden for significant parts of the game.

    Interesting that you would think that's what people are saying when they talk about staggering minutes...
     
  4. atwood

    atwood Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2006
    Messages:
    626
    Likes Received:
    4
    second this

     
  5. BackNthDay

    BackNthDay Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2006
    Messages:
    3,570
    Likes Received:
    469
    Lin would be awesome going against the 2nd team. It's just like when Carmelo came back to the Knicks. The poster doesn't lie, force Lin left and ask him to finish at the rim. He's in trouble and we all known it. He's better from 20 ft than at 26 or layup. He just can't finish in traffic. But he could give Harden a break off the ball and then bring in Douglas to play D, while resting Beverly. I really would like to see T Jones play some minutes at the PF for either Morris or 2Pat. We;ve seen the up/down rollercoaster from these 2. Enough already
     
  6. RedEyesKirby

    RedEyesKirby Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2012
    Messages:
    1,025
    Likes Received:
    67
    What Harden REALLY need right now is rest. I am dead serious. I think the last thing to think about is how he can co-exists with Lin. 40+ min is no joke and if Harden gets injured then your superstar is as good as dead for the rest of the season. At the rate he is playing, it is really a matter of time before he injures himself since he is constantly driving to the rim.
     
  7. ausbear

    ausbear Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2006
    Messages:
    65
    Likes Received:
    1
    That's because McFail wants to "win now" and the only way to win is to let Harden do everything.
     
  8. kozmo

    kozmo Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2012
    Messages:
    1,047
    Likes Received:
    7
    It's amazing to me that all you guys do is talk about Lin when harden has shot less than 25 percent from the field over the last 5 or 6 games....he's been awful...he took 20 shots today and made 5..... That's not good at all....over the last 3 harden is 15 of 60..not including today.. 25%,..13 turnovers and had 4 today. Last 4 games he's averaging over 4...

    Lin is 13 of 32 ..... 41% not great and Lin didn't play well today but harden is playing worse than Lin....Lin has had 10 turnovers in the last 3 games....Lin is not playing well but over the last2 weeks Lin and parsons have been the best players on the team....

    So my question is....why not talk aout how bad harden has been
     
  9. teebone21

    teebone21 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2011
    Messages:
    3,261
    Likes Received:
    34
    10% body fat for harden lol. I am personal trainer at 9% and 215lbs. he is no where close to that. he is chubby
     
  10. kozmo

    kozmo Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2012
    Messages:
    1,047
    Likes Received:
    7
    No he can't but he can do it different...and he has his whole life...he needs the all, he needs a pick and he will lead....just lets see what happens
     
  11. Easy

    Easy Boban Only Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2002
    Messages:
    38,174
    Likes Received:
    29,653
    I agree that Lin as the 6th man might be a solution. What I don't get is what does Beverley do that is better than Douglas? We were in a good stretch before we signed Beverley and the guard rotation of Harden-Lin_Douglas was doing fine.
     
  12. rolyat93

    rolyat93 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2010
    Messages:
    6,354
    Likes Received:
    460
    He's a much better playmaker, imo.
     
  13. Ozzy

    Ozzy Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2013
    Messages:
    160
    Likes Received:
    156
    Beverly provides great defense, good playmaking and a burst of energy that this Rocket team desperately needs.
     
  14. hocash

    hocash Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2013
    Messages:
    1,041
    Likes Received:
    36
    Sounded good until Kevin Love. Then everything he wrote becomes suspect.
    Kevin Love the most overrated player in the NBA. Great rebounder, decent three point shooter, and nothing else. Eaten up on defense.
     
  15. LewLLOYD

    LewLLOYD Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2007
    Messages:
    1,669
    Likes Received:
    102
    good read.

    harden is athletic, but i think they are talking comparatively to other elite level players. harden clearly is athletic, but on an elite level he isn't strictly athletically dominant.
     
  16. LosPollosHermanos

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2009
    Messages:
    30,057
    Likes Received:
    14,113
    harden needs to go see his "therapist" again.

    [​IMG]
     
  17. hocash

    hocash Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2013
    Messages:
    1,041
    Likes Received:
    36
    Last I heard he was at 8.5% and he looks it too. Face looks chubby but he's muscular and lean
     
  18. kcal

    kcal Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2013
    Messages:
    115
    Likes Received:
    4
    There is clearly a double standard at play here, as I've pointed out before.

    Another poster, roxxxy, has stated that "lin can't shoot." It turns out lin is shooting 43% from the field, whereas harden is at 44%. Lin is at 28% from 3's, harden at 33%. Harden's fg% has dropped over the course of the season, whereas lin's has increased.

    Despite essentially identical fg%'s, harden shoots the ball 21X a game (factoring in ft's), whereas lin is closer to 12.

    What's happened is that mchale's decision to allow harden to dominate the offense has backfired. Harden is increasingly tired and ineffective; whereas every other player doesn't have the confidence to step up and contribute, since the coaching staff channels the offense exclusively through harden.

    There is also an enormous disdain for all things lin among perhaps half of the regular posters here. The point is, yes, harden should be facing harsh criticism for his poor and declining shooting, but there is such animosity towards lin and his fans, many rockets fans who post here would rather see the rockets fail rather than see lin make a major contribution to a winning streak.

     
  19. kcal

    kcal Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2013
    Messages:
    115
    Likes Received:
    4
    I'm surprised this issue isn't discussed more often. Personally, I don't take an interest in player's private lives. However, harden's name has come up with surprising frequency both this season and last, as a free spender in the vice industry, and could very well be an addict.

    I was not terribly enthused with the acquisition of harden at the start of this season due to rumors that he had partied excessively during the finals, esp. in miami, hurting okc's chances of winning the title.

    At the time, I thought those rumors were baseless; but he is obviously knee-deep in the sex/vice industry game. To what extent this hampers his ability to focus fully on his profession is unclear (was last year's playoffs an aberration?), but it seems clear to me that it can't help.
     
  20. MambaJoe

    MambaJoe Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2009
    Messages:
    2,294
    Likes Received:
    104
    Even if Harden is in a shooting slump, the chances of Harden making a shot while on a shooting slump is higher than most other players on the team anyway.

    I much rather have a shooting slump James Harden take a contested long 3 pointer with the shot clock winding down than Patrick Patterson shooting a wide open 15 footer or Asik trying to go 1 on 1 in the post...
     

Share This Page