The Second Amendment was Ratified to Preserve Slavery

Curious to your point? Jefferson owned slaves. He didn't free his slaves. We tend to romanticize our founding fathers. Jefferson certainly saw negatives to slavery, and likely understood it would eventually cease to exist, but he was no abolitionist.

 

The thought that the Second Amendment was written because of slavery is as real as Manti Te'o's girlfriend.

The reason the Founding Fathers wanted a well regulated militia has a lot more to do with the fact that the United States had no formal army.

 

... and they have lived under a tyrannical government for 150 years.

People who believe this drivel need to crack open their history books. These are the FACTS of our early slave days for those unaware.

In 1777 Vermont abolished slavery (later became the 14th state).

In 1780 Pennsylvania abolished slavery gradually.

In 1783 Massachusetts abolished slavery (John Adams' home state).

In 1784 Connecticut abolished slavery gradually.

In 1784 Rhode Island abolished slavery gradually.

In 1787 Congress convened and passed The Ordinance of 1787, which outlawed slavery in the Northwest Territories.

In 1799 New York abolished slavery gradually.

In 1808 congress passes the Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves.

Nine of the then seventeen states abolished slavery by 1803. The Northwest Territory was made up of 6 future states, where slavery was outlawed in 1787.

A country trying to protect their slave trade would not abolish the importation of slaves, nor would they abolish slavery in over half of their states and territories by the time the Bill of Rights was ratified.

 

Its pretty easy to tell from your past posts that you're a complete idiot or may in fact just be trolling due to the extreme stupidity thereof, but just for the record, our man TJ who was "completely against " slavery owned hundreds of them up until the day he died, regularly sold off children of his slaves for profit, and upon his death freed only his likely spawn from Sally Hemings leaving the others in chains.

Just a quick glimpse of the trainwreck of this posts stupidity as it careens towards entirely predictable Hitler town finish. You should hope and pray that the next batch of gun regs isn't aimed at the purely stupid.

 

But they would keep residents of African decent from having formal political, legal or property rights of any kind; and admit dozens of states that bred, traded, generationally bequeathed and illegally smuggled in foreign slaves for decades. I don't know if half the Atlantic 10 throwing in the slave towel "pre-gin" paints the whole picture. I'll re-state I think the Second Amendment thing is crap, but that's a separate issue.

 

Yeah. I'm surprise more people simply aren't countering with simple common sense. At that time, guns are just as much a tool for survival as any other equipment for many people. It would be utterly ludicrous to not have people own guns.

The necessity of guns in today's world is whole different issue though. Especially since vast majority of the modern world explicitly outlaw them.

 

I think the thread title might be misleading. If you read the article the implication isn't that the 2nd amendment only exists to protect slavery, but that the specific wording is a reflection if that... In many ways specifically because of the facts you mention - the growing divide between the abolitionists and slave owners. I certainly believe it played a role...

 

The vast majority of the modern world doesn't outlaw them. They have strict gun control.

 

You'll never have justice on stolen land.

http://youtu.be/-GwIbyp4xBU

 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Frederick Douglass said "A man's rights rest in 3 boxes. The ballot box, the jury box &amp; the cartridge box". He was pro-slavery, right?</p>&mdash; Political Math (@politicalmath) <a href="https://twitter.com/politicalmath/status/292868098745327616" data-datetime="2013-01-20T05:36:10+00:00">January 20, 2013</a></blockquote>
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I haven't looked into to it but I'm sure there is an element of truth to it. Maybe not ratified exclusively for slavery but I do believe that it was used in order to enforce it.

 

You have a very over-simplistic view of American slavery and African slaves in the Americas in general. If interested I can give you a basic rundown.

 

Stop using that Hitler quote.
It is FAKE.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcbogus.html

 

I don't know how tyrannical the British were. They owed a lot of money for the French and Indian wars and other stuff and they needed to pay for it so they kind of made the colonist pay for it.

It is kind of like the British paid a lot of initial capital for expansion, but when they wanted to try to collect, well the colonist were having none of it, and eventually one thing led to the other and we had the American revolution.

The founding founders themselves were full of crap too. The declaration of independence said all men were created equal. What it meant was all white land owning men.

However the constitution and bill or rights was great. They recognized that governments could turn against their people so they divided the power and provided things like free speech, press,religion,and guns so the government couldn't subjugate their citizens.

 

He didn't say the 30 round magazine box did he? Name one person on this board that is pushing for an outlaw of ALL firearms.

 

Yep. Major role in wording, smaller role in idea of amendment.

 

Even considering the ignorance of his post, I never understand why you feel the need to be so insulting.

 

It's an interesting argument and I think there might be something to it. I have frequently cited Federalist Paper #29 as the best way to understand the 2nd Amendment and it does state that militia is for the defense of the states and not as the country as a whole. Individual defense isn't mentioned in it and during the early days of this country both the states and the US Government crushed citizen let revolts.

I think as another poster said the purpose of the 2nd might not have been primarily to preserve slave patrols but it was a serendipitous benefit to the Southern States.

 

Considering the Great Compromise and that slavery split the country 70 years later the country at the time of the Constitution wasn't anywhere close to doing away with slavery.

On PBS right now there is a series called the Abolitionists and that series does a good job of showing how even in the 1850's slavery was retrenching rather than getting weaker.