No African-American NFL head coaches hired in 2013

any america men who are black hired?

 

No real solution . . . just awareness . . maybe some education
Sometimes people are not aware of their biases.

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if it don't change . .. then maybe black people vote with their dollars.

 

Rooney rule was not created because of genuine good will. That, in itself, is the crux of the issue.

 

will never happen. lol.

 

Rooney Rule fails, left wing sports media flabbergasted

 

... looking up if Ron Rivera and Jack Del Rio are really Hispanic...

OK. Fine... there are some... :grin:

 

Even if it did. . . .would BIG NFL even notice?

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from a monetary standpoint, no. And in the end that's all that matters.

 

Caldwell sucked. Peyton Manning was good. The sad truth.

I'm very surprised Dennis Green hasn't gotten a 3rd job. 10 seasons in Minnesota, he had one losing season and made the playoffs 8 times (would have made a SB, if Gary Anderson hadn't missed that kick).

Has any black coach received a 3rd HC job in the NFL?

 

As evidenced by what? The hiring history? How many black GM's or team presidents are there? Two?

 

How do you suppose you force someone to hire a minority head coach? There were 11 minority head coaches in the NFL 2 years ago (counting full time and interim). If you look at the ranks of the coordinators there are ZERO offensive play callers. The head coaches typically hire their own staffs. If I am a head coach, do you think I am purposely not going to hire someone because of their race to be my coordinator? Again, what do you suggest the coaches and or owners do? Is Mike Zimmer (DC in Cincy) any less deserving than Ray Horton (DC in Arizona)? Zimmer has been waiting to be a head coach forever as well. With the exception of Doug Marrone (Buffalo) who I think was a terrible hire, I'm not sure I have much beef with the coaches that got jobs at the other 7 vacancies.

 

Mike Zimmer is a fine DC. He , however, is not a leader of man. He is not a head coach.

 

When is the race card ever good?

 

the tough part is that the sample is small. There weren't a lot of openings. There were a ton of candidates in the space--many white and black candidates have been mentioned in this thread. Next year we could have 5 white coaches get fired and 4 black coaches get hired. Would that mean we've gone the wrong direction and "overhired" a different race? No...with such a small sample, you're bound to have variation

My point is--even if we have taken a step in the right direction and are in a decent place in terms of being less biased right now, this year may have been an anomaly and nothing more. Looking at what happened in this moment, right now isn't making an informed judgment. And that's assuming you know the thought processes of each hiring manager and who they considered seriously

 

When it works against minorities . . . . apparently

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This issue is . .. statistically . . . .as a minority . . .that means that the odds are always against you.

If you are 10 out of 100 potential people
a 1 in 10 chance is less 9 out of 10
Which means. . when 5 jobs come up in the NFL next year
More than likely the 1 out of 10 won't be pick
same the following year . . .etc . . .etc .. . etc
so 6 yrs later . . . . .it is the same. . . because just because 5 got the job this year
doesn't affect the odds next year at all.

The arguments made by MattJ were made during Affirmative Action error
How do you force someone to hire someone else
They later start added evil little details like . . . someone 'inferior' or not as good
and quotas etc etc etc
When All they are asking for is a fair shake.
When one group controls all the hiring . . . their biases play out
There is rarely a moment where option A is so ridiculously more qualified than Option B
that it comes down to undefinable things like GUT, COMFORT, and Intuition
Which is where bias lives. . . .

As I said . . . there is no solution . . . . esp not one that will satisfy everyone
Either black coaches walk away from the game/ start their own league/ b**** and moan for a fair shot or wait for the off chance they get a real shot and if they don't make their peace with being a lifetime coordinator or go back to maybe college/high school football.

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Affirmative Action Era not Error *grin*
[Well, I guess it could be both]

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fair point. But my point was that we might have made some headway with affirmative action rules and thought processes--but even if so, we are still subject to a margin of error year to year

 

13 total openings (gm and coach).

Jimmy Raye has/had a legit beef imo.

 

You provide financial incentives through revenue sharing. Give salary cap exemptions. Draft order advantages- at least make it the tie breaker between teams with identical records. But there are ways, and yes you do have to do something because at this point no one's taking Rooney Rule seriously. It's a mere formality, just a little hoop everyone jumps through before hiring who they wanted to in the first place anyway. That completely ignores the spirit of the rule.

Just imagine if this happened in any other industry. Some major corporation makes fourteen executive hires, & we're to believe that as hard as they tried they just couldn't find one qualified minority applicant? Then you can try making the argument in court that "You know, if we were really discriminating, we'd be hurting ourselves too- do you really think we're that racist? Really EEOC?!" Because that's kind of the entire point- discriminatory hiring IS illogical & DOES hurt all parties involved, yet here we are still having to "force" compliance.