Holy crap are you and all the other LOH and HOF blind! Harden is a turnover machine!! No one is as bad as Harden right now in turnovers. It's a fricking huge problem for the team and too many people are ignoring it and placing blame on Lin. Let's use actual facts shall we? Total TO: Harden 146 (LEADS THE NBA AND HE'S NOT A PG) Lin 121 Don't try to BS this and say Lin plays less mins. PER36 TO: Harden 3.7 Lin 3.3 .4 is NOT a small difference. It's 12.5% worst than Lin on a PER36 basis. So don't try to pass it off like it is. You know who improved on their TO and who got worst? PER36 TO Last Season - This Season: Harden 2.5 - 3.5 (40% worst) Lin 4.8 - 3.3 (31% improvement) Before you get on my as a Harden hater, I'm simply pointing out facts. I love Harden to death as a Rockets fan. I like Lin a lot. Asik is my fave player on the team. Asik has TO issues to but apparently is irrelevant to everyone here. In a NBA game, it's usually 5 possessions that decide a win or loss for your team. As great as Harden is on Offense, he is at times so sloppy with the ball it's not funny. You LOH/HOF people need to take your hate blinders off Lin to see this. We'll be a much better team if Harden cuts his TO down and this would be a better forum if people stop being so delusional.
Harden's fouls are smart contacts. It's usually not the players trying to smack him but rather he puts his body towards the players arms and hands. This means he can control the impact made to a certain extent. I wouldn't worry about injuries at all for him. Lin on the other hand is going all out and driving with will power and force. It is a big concern for him. Instead of drawing contacts, Lin usually tries to avoid contacts and finish with perfection. You can see in the Mavs game that when he draws contact he can, but most of the time he avoids them. Lin is definitely going to be prone for injury if he keeps up his ways.
If he is going to get 26+ points a game, lead the league in free throws and be one of the most efficient players in the league then he can keep on having no mid range game.
These debates happen ALL the time when one person mentions Lin in a thread that isn't about him. every. effing. time.
If only Lin will man up and tell Harden "dude im the point guard and you are the shooting guard, we wont be having this problem" Its not even Lin's fault, McHale should talk to Harden, he's not the pg. I dont understand why he wants to be pg and sg, while Lin sits at the corner waiting to shoot 3's everyone knows he will miss. We need Lin to run pg, for long stretches of time. That way we know what kind of player we have on our hand, if he's reliable or not. If he's not, thank heavens for beverly hills But Harden is trying to do too much
They are no super star calls. If he gets hit on the arm it's a foul. He's smart to swing them around driving to the basket.
LMFAO Here we go AGAIN... #1 I do not hate Lin. He is the best point guard we have on the team and should be playing the part of distributor. #2 A "Rockets fan".... How come all these "Rockets fans" have member dates that magically correspond to AFTER Lin joined the Rockets. #3 SamFisher already stole my thunder when he posted the turnover statistics per 100 possessions. #4 Harden leads all non point guards in assists other than LBJ #5 So Harden gets .4 more turnovers per 36 than Lin, but his turnovers are destroying the team? Wouldn't you agree that if Harden's turnovers are a problem, then someone averaging .4 LESS probably needs to cut down on their turnovers as well? #6 Of course Harden has more turnovers than last year, he is playing more minutes, shouldering a larger offensive load, and is playing a faster pace. So.... who is the one posting "facts"?
I think he also leads in TO. Yikes. Gotta cut that down. But OTOH, it's a sad stat showing how much we have to let him have the ball and create.
While TOs are not good I'm okay with them when players are being aggressive. On the other hand sloppy/lazy turnovers are unacceptable. Again it'd be nice if the TOs were down but with as often as Harden takes it to the hoop it's fine. Guys that lead the league in TOs are usually very good to great players. If anything I wish Harden would put more effort on D. With all that said he's our superstar.
u mean the same open teammates that are hiding behind the remaining opposing players who are not double teaming Harden because they missed the last 3 open shots they took and are too scared to shoot again
I don't really care about the post you were responding to, but this BS needs to stop. By your logic every 2012er is a LOF. Get real. I joined because this is the first time I've been able to watch rox games instead of watered down youtube highlights, but I guess I'm just another LOFer. FYI, Lin isn't the only new player to join the rockets this season... These type of accusations are toxic and segregate the board, and it's come to the point where there is such vitriol on this board that terms like LOF and LOH are being thrown around at anyone that has a differing opinion of lin. Do you think comments like this are helpful to the board culture here or are just further alienating every 2012er for ****s and giggles? Come on, dude.
pleasantly surprised I will have to admit that I thought he would make an impact but no way would you believe he would be the man. Cold blooded perimeter shots and much needed blow by your defender and break there ankle penetration which has been absent more then I want to remember with the Rockets. Ok maybe a little exaggerated.
Did I say that everyone that joined the last 6 months is a LOF? However, if you are on this board long enough, you will notice that 80% of the time the posters calling Harden a "turnover machine" or "a ball hog", or saying that McHale or Harden are holding Lin back joined since Lin joined the Rockets... Honestly, it if alienates you, that is your problem. I never said everyone that joined in 2012 is a LOF.
Do you even see how you're just making excuses for Harden? It's completely ok to you that Harden leads the league in TOs? He plays more minutes and we're playing at a fast pace, that makes it ok??! Stop being so blinded by Lin hate. I personally can't stand all this Lin *****. You're missing my entire point which is Harden's TO problem is a huge detriment to the team. Why don't you respond to that and stop accusing me of me being a LOF. This isn't a Lin debate. Both need to cut down on TOs. But Harden needs to do it a whole lot more.
Come on now, it was implied by your post that you assume most 2012ers who say they are rockets fans are secretly LOFers. This is true, but it has become a lot less so since Clutch started to purge posters. That's true and maybe it is my problem, but you no innocent party either. Your sentiment is a pretty common theme running through these LOF/LOH threads (which is pretty much any thread in the GARM), so these type of opinions tend to alienate most 2012ers (although, I obviously can only speak for myself). You're so quick off the trigger to label someone a LOFer (when this guy made a deliberate effort to not be labelled a LOFer, because he knew having a positive opinion or sticking up for lin = LOF accusation), it not only feeds this LOF v LOH board culture, but makes it harder for rox fans who joined in 2012 to have credibility as rockets fans 1st. That being said, this dude didn't help either by labelling you a LOH right off the bat.
