ClutchFans Game Thread: Clippers @ Rockets 1/15/2013

Got back from class. So who's fault is tonight's loss? Lin's stat line looks pretty decent but it seems the thread is pointing out Lin being the main reason we lost?

 

It's all Lin's fault.

 

Same thing different day...Houston loss as a team but shooting crappy from behind the arc and charity lines, Lin having a decent game, but still the sole reason why the team loss.:grin:

 

You know, with all do respect.. I haven't said anything to now but I cannot agree with. Earlier you said that Patterson was the second worse Rocket when it comes to switches playing the pick, and that is simply false. For all the flaws Patterson has, he is the best Rocket on the team making switches and rotating. You alas said how bad Asik is at it, and that is simply not true either. Asik is one of the only Rockets to properly play picks and make switches and rotate. The Rockets that struggle at it are Harden and Lin. Neither guy does it consistently. Lin tends to gamble and Harden... Well I don't know what the hell he is doing other than relying on his physical ability.

Concerning defending the pick and roll, in most cases you can defend it if you are familiar with your opponents tendencies. Some players only go right, or shoot from the same spot, etc.

I am not saying you do not know basketball, but I played D1 basketball and grew up in a family of coaches and cannot agree with you on some points.

 

Leave it to Bill and Clyde and you would think TD is a perennial All-Star.

 

No one is saying Lin is the main reason we lost. Just ****stirrers doing their job as per usual.

 

Can you provide a link to support this broad statement or are you just making it up?

Then it's not a jump shot, it's a pump fake.

But you said that he got a hand in his face. Why do you keep changing your argument?

 

And never blames him for anything.

 

JayGoogle, I agree Asik's minutes should be limited. But coming off bench? seriously, are you under illusion that Dwight Howard is on Rockets ? the other centers we have are Greg Smith and Cole Aldrich.

 

Only all? Dude, its 200% Lin's fault!

 

This is true. When TD misses a shot. Bill will say the "Rockets" aren't shooting well instead of focusing on the individual.

 

Who said Lin was the main reason the Rockets lost? The Rockets lost as a team, there really were not any bright spots.

 

To that cyclorider quote (I usually can't see what he says because he's on my ignore list, but since you quoted him), yea, that TD sure helped in that Portland OT lost didn't it? TD sure helped in that Dallas lost didn't it? I actually can't remember a game we won where TD "closed" out.

 

Disagree. Harden's move on Bledsoe was a bright spot. Parsons stellar game another bright spot. Lin only having 1 TO & 10 assists was a bright spot. Carlos otherwise solid game bright spot. There were several bright spots tonight.

 

Why should he or Lin's fans go elsewhere? Haters are the ppl who should leave - not like they contribute much anyways, since all they do is constantly bash someone and disrupt this forum. Haters want Lin to fail; If Lin fails that doesn't help the Rockets, now does it?

Lin's fans on the other hand, wants Lin and the Rockets to do well and win games - they are believing in a Rockets' player and supporting him through good and bad games, so what is wrong with that. There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism about Lin - I don't think Lin's fans mind it - but we certainly don't need haters/trolls.

Also, who said this place is all haters anyways; as far as I know, there are only several haters/trolls on here. Just because you have been on here longer does not mean you own this place.

 

Harden and Lin are number 1 and 2 in PnR efficiency last season, and we use least amount of PnR plays in the league this season. And we don't let players to shoot some mid range shots and blame them for being old in 3s. Players are not computers in a fantasy game, if you take out some of their offensive games they have got nothing to warm up for more efficient 3s.

 

Is there a page that ranks teams based on PnR set count? I'm interested to see the rankings...

 

I didn't watch that game, so I can't really comment on it. However, my point was simply that once a player is in the zone, they can go off on anyone... hell, I remember watching a game last year where John Lucas III went nutso with LeBron all over him... sometimes there's nothing you can do.

If the point you are trying to make is that Tony Allen is a better defender than Jeremy Lin, I would agree with you 100%.

 

Regarding Asik, I never said Asik doesn't play picks correctly. I've seen him hedge multiple times on picks, and I've seen him box out. As for switches, I have seen him not close on perimeter shooters, and not switch on incoming cutters, as well as remain at the rim and not rotate (as I said, I'm not sure if that was instructed or not -- both are plausible so it was impossible to say as I said).

As for Patterson, it's possible you're seeing plays that I'm missing. Or it's possible that I'm remembering disproportionately defensive plays by other players (such as Morris) and incorrectly attributing them.

On the other hand, Patterson is ranked 255th by PPP Allowed by Synergy, has a defensive efficiency of 1.17 according to Hoopdata (worst of the starters), and a defensive rating of 108 according to Basketball Reference (2nd worst on the team).

Lin does gamble sometimes. On the other hand, his defensive results in terms of points on the board are among the best on the team. While it's annoying when he leaves his man, it results in fewer points than you would expect off a visual impression when a steal, block or forced TO result in ZERO points scored and a possible fast break opportunity. His PPP Allowed, Defensive efficiency, Defensive rating, and impact on the 5 man line ups all reflect a net positive impact on the defensive end.

Of course, I could always be wrong... :grin:

 

After this loss, everyone's frustrated for one reason or another, and it's no excuse, but people are getting a bit nasty.

Even the commentators were negative and sarcastic--repeating themselves about the poor free throw shooting, for example. Their criticism when the loss was apparent wasn't helpful and just made me feel worse.

I feel bad for the players; and I hope the coaches do their job to inspire and motivate them in a positive way before they stop believing in themselves individually and as a team.