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Random Houston Rockets Trade Ideas - 2012-13

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Aug 10, 2012.

  1. LikeMike

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    Well despite tax (which will be significant) they also get younger. And you might as well argue they get better fits. The big defensive rebounder who doesn`t need the ball in his hands but can finish around the basket and the young do it all guy with lots of talent and bb-iq. I an pretty sure the Heat would love to add both guys to their squad.

    Now, what would they lose? Basically a quality big that can create his own shot and hit the midrange jumper with average defense and decent rebounding ability. They don`t absolutely need his offense with LeBron and Wade on the team - and Parsons can provide some offense as well. And on defense and rebounding they actually get better, and finally have someone that really can defend centers like Howard.

    So sure, no team likes to give away stars - but in this case (like the OKC case), I´d argue it makes a lot of sense for both teams...
     
  2. pcheung08

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    replace Delfino with Parsons? miami reduces salary by almost 4mm?
     
  3. SRR21

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    If we trade Asik there will be no defense at all at the rim. Sure HOU will score 105 a game but they will give up 115.
     
  4. DonatasFanboy

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    Well, for Houston's sake, hopefully you are right. Bosh would give this team an awesome core. But I don't see it. Age seems irrelevant to me, Bosh is 28 and his game should age extremely well.
    Tax... this isn't a team that's alergic to tax and this isn't even an OKC situation, they don't have 4 max/near max players, they only have 3 of those. Perennial all stars on max contracts in general are a great way to spend money. They should amnesty Mike Miller if they get desperate.
    So I think they'd have to win the deal and clearly upgrade to trade him. Asik+Parsons is kind of meh. If they had a Shaq waiting in the playoffs, I could see a little better argument. But that's not the case. And even if it was, it's still two fairly average, maybe slightly above average starters for a legit all star entering his prime... meh.
     
  5. Garner

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    I don't think Miami wants to rock the championship boat, but those super friend salaries are about to become ungodly in the tax scheme.

    Moving Bosh would make sense financially
     
  6. LikeMike

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    If i read it right, they will be 30 Million over the cap next season... I don't know that much about the cap, but don't they have to pay like 4 times the amount they are over the cap as tax?

    So even if they do amnesty Miller, they still have to pay close to 100 million in tax alone. Now even for the Heat that would be a lot of money...

    In trading Bosh for Asik and Parsons they instantly save about 9 million per year - so 36 million in tax (for a total of 45 million) - and that is just for the first season. And by acquiring two players. They should be able to cut or trade another player like Joel Anthony. That would save them another 4 million per year, 16 million in tax for a total of 20 million.

    So just by this trade and getting rid of Joel Anthony they would save about 65 million per season if my numbers are correct... In the next two seasons that number would even go up to 70 and 80 million (assuming Joel Anthony or another player gets resigned at his current salary) - so over the next 3 seasons they would save a whooping 215 million dollars...

    So 215 millions less, a great defensive rebounding big and the best contract in the entire NBA with a young player that is already producing at a high level and has lots of potential. I think the Heat would strongly consider this. I am pretty sure that they are thinking real hard about losing someone like Bosh just for cash reasons - and the Rockets should have one of the most interesting package for them...
     
  7. DonatasFanboy

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    no, tax and cap are two different things. If they amnesty Miller, they'll be ~10 mil above tax next year. If they have picks (unlikely right now), it could be a bit more.
    Also, based on current Stern's revenue projections, tax line should move up by some 4 mil. If they are really desperate, they could even let Mario Chalmers go, that's another 4 mil. But I don't think Miami is that desperate. I think they are fine being 6-10 mil over tax.
     
  8. rogower

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    I believe the Heat will first look to dump Dwyane Wade's contract this summer (and what's with that lousy attitude?). But I totally agree that Miami has to try reduce that tax penalty this summer, and teams are not going to be backing up the dump truck to take Mike Miller or Udonis Haslem off their hands. They're going to have to look at trading either Wade or Chris Bosh.

    I think it waits until the summer, though. They have to be given an opportunity to defend their championship first. I think they look at trading either Wade or Bosh this summer even if they do win the championship this season, though, for all of the reasons you outlined. I'm not much of a Bosh fan but yeah, I think Houston probably trades a Chandler Parsons-Omer Asik package for Bosh in a heartbeat, if presented with that opportunity. The problem is that I think Miami is going to ask Miami to also take back either Mike Miller or Joel Anthony (both on the books through 2014-15!), and at that point, Houston needs to walk away, in my opinion.
     
  9. Sanity2disChaos

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    Ed Davis ....maybe? He was supposed to be a legit PF coming out of NC.What is he looking like these days and is he somebody we could snag for a low risk high reward type of situation?
     
  10. ROXTXIA

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    Letting Chalmers go shouldn't be an option. He's cheap based on what he gives them. And they do need a (nominal) point guard, even if Bron and Wade handle the ball most of the time.

    I don't think they'll mess with the chemistry this year but could look to move Bosh in the offseason. They need better depth. And I'd have to double-check, they really don't turn much of a profit thanks to that payroll.

    I'm not saying Morey's holding out for Bosh, although it'd be funny to get the guy. It would show definite persistence on Morey's part. Hell, we nearly had him for Brooks and Artest a few years back.
     
  11. DonatasFanboy

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    I don't think they'll do anything drastic at all. I expect Mike Miller amnesty, that's about it. In fact, they might amnesty him and sign someone else at a pretty decent salary, like Ray Allen this year.

    Their financial issues are quite a bit exaggerated.

    If Stern's revenue projections come true -- and I doubt that Stern would announce them unless they were realistic -- the Heat are only ~6 mil over tax next year (after Mike Miller amnesty). That puts them in a great shape.

    Look at the numbers. Their payroll this year is at 84 mil. Including tax, that's ~98 mil.
    Next year, assuming Stern's projections, tax line should be at ~74 mil. While the Heat could be at ~80 mil payroll if they amnesty Mike Miller.
    Including the new tax, that's ~89 mil. Add the 6 mil that they'd still have to pay Mike Miller because of the amnesty, and it's ~95 mil.
    98 mil this year, 95 mil next year. That's roughly, but it seems realistic.

    So, would you cut Chalmers in that situation? Or especially would you break up the 'big 3' in that situation? I don't think it makes much sense.

    If they can afford to spend 98 mil this year, they should be able to afford a similar amount next year.
     
  12. J Sizzle

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    I think there is a 0% chance they move any of the Big 3. They brought these guys in to win multiple championships, and I'm sure they were fully aware of the financial situation they'd be put in. They'll make the necessary moves to get to a reasonable financial situation, and they'll be okay. They won't get rid of Wade or Bosh. No chance.
     
  13. RickyNewport

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    The most logical post I've read as far as Miami is concerned. I expect no major moves to be made until James decides rather or not he will opt to be a free agent in 2014.
     
  14. rolyat93

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    Plus, that pretty much kills their recruitment pitches.

    "Hey, sacrifice money to come play with superstars and win a ring, then we'll ship your ass out.:grin:"
     
  15. BigMaloe

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    Moarie?
     
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    Steve Kyler ‏@stevekylerNBA
    RT @jzslowboogie: so what are the chances Rockets get Millsap? ---> I have been told he's their top target.
     
  17. rocketblood713

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    So I asked this guy from hoopsworld.com what are the chances Rockets get Millsap he says hes being told that the Rockets top target is Paul Millsap ..
     
  18. bleedrockets

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    that's weird cause with the call ups and Millsap being top target...Utah doesn't play again until Saturday
     
  19. rocketblood713

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    Its stilll early but I think getting into Feb is one the NBA rumors are gonna be flying around big time and you know the Rockets are gonna be right in the middle of it !
     
  20. J Sizzle

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    Steve Kyler from Hoopsworld?

    I'll believe it when I see it...
     

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