What's most concerning to me is how average defenses like the Pats and Packers so easily took out the running game and forced Schaub to be a Top 10 QB. He couldn't. Conversely, Ponder under the same conditions beat us over the top..... with no name wrs.... on the road... against a great defense -\)... with the #1 seed for the taking.
I was extremely discouraged by what I saw from the running game this past week. What happened against the Packers and Patriots in the regular season was a little misleading (our defense gave up some early points to the Packers and forced us to throw it, we got some bad bounces/calls in New England and fell in a hole early) when it comes to judging our running game. But what happened last week was embarassing. The Patriots totally owned us between the tackles. That killed our ability to control the clock, made our PA worthless, and killed us in the redzone. When you have Matt Schaub as your QB, that is a recipe for disaster.
See hasn't this always been the case? Why are you just now coming around to this? Furthermore, if this has always been the case, how can you people honestly say he is Top 5,6,7,8,9,10 QB? Was it because he wears a Texans jersey? I'm serious too.
Not really. I saw Matt shredding people with no running game or defense behind him before. In totality, he still falls under the top 10-12. In the last 6 weeks, he looks far less than that. I wanted to give him his fair shot in the post-season and a decent supporting cast behind him. He got that shot, and failed. Onto the next one.
I can respect that. I'm assuming you are referring to the 2009 season? Correct? For the record Top 10-12 does not equal elite.
Something like that. Unfortunately, Matt's career has been marked by comically bad timing. At the peak of his game, he had no support. At the peak of his supporting cast (last year), he suffered a career threatening injury. Now, it appears the window of opportunity has passed. He's not going to get any better, and the only way to win over the next 2 years is either find lightning in a bottle (draft a QB) or fix the running game (FA OL).
That was a complete coaching beatdown that Belichick gave Kubiak. Last game, Belichick put Wilfork over the rookie Ben Jones, and Wilfork absolutely destroyed us. So this down, Kubiak thinks, "I'll put Brandon Brooks in there to battle with Wilfork! Brooks is strong, and big, and can sumo Wilfork all day long! That'll show 'em!" Well, Belichick is basically inside Kubiak's brain for the most part, so he says, "I know what Koobs is gonna do....so instead of lining up Wilfork over the RG, I'm gonna put him over the LG....Wade Smith looks soft and spongy." Well, we all saw exactly how that went, and we had no answers for it the entire night. The even crazier part is that Wilfork would move back over the RG on third down, because he knew he could get to Schaub's blind side that way. I'm telling you man, Belichick is one sneaky b*stard, and the Texans' coaching staff continuously looks like gomers when we face teams like the Packers and the Patriots. It's really kind of embarrassing.
I can admit when I'm wrong. No shame in that, see Watt. So I ask you DonnyMost, was I right all along?
I would put 11 QBs as clearly superior to him all-around (in no particular order): Brees Brady Manning Manning Rodgers RG3 Wilson Kaepernick Ryan Luck Big Ben That would put him at #12 at best. Then you have a whole second cluster of QBs that either is in his class or better: Stafford, Romo, Cutler, Flacco, Rivers, Newton. Each does a lot of things better than him, and some things worse than him. I doubt any of their teams would swap them for Schaub. That would put Schaub somewhere between #12 and #18, ignoring guys like Vick, Alex Smith, etc.
If the question is: Schaub wins Superbowl = Donny is right Schaub does not win Superbowl = ubigred is right Then yeah, you're probably going to end up right. But that's a pretty unfair way to look at things (only 1 team wins a Superbowl every year, so that's crap odds for anybody banking on it). I think Schaub gave us the best chance to win within this window. Does not mean I can guarantee a Superbowl. Sometimes people are right for the wrong reasons, and wrong for the right reasons. Your evaluation of Schaub over the last 3 years (and the Texans in general) has been horribly misguided if not downright unfair at times. The things you've suggested we do instead of Schaub have also been silly to plain impractical. If the Texans won a Superbowl, I wasn't going to come around here and rub it in anybody's nose. But now that it looks unlikely, I'd say nobody wins. If you want to claim victory, go ahead, but it's a hollow one if there ever was one.
Yes, you're right, Schaub did not win a Superbowl. Quite the amazing leap of faith you took there. If I had a margin of error that large for all of my predictions, I'd be nostradomus too.
For the record, Flacco's first playoff start against the Pats: 4/10, 34 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT, 10 QBR. I did not leave off a number, nor was that a typo: his QBR was 10. In fact, among his first seven playoff starts, he turned in a 10, 18.2, 48.4, 59.1, 61.1. He didn't crack 90 until last year. Against us, of course. I'm not suggesting this excuses Schaub - just asking that you demonstrate *a little* perspective. Flacco had a big moment this weekend; it was five years in the making as the window with Ray Lewis and Ed Reed started to close around him. The absolute worst part about this is that the Texans missed golden opportunities 2008-2011. This should *not* have been Schaub's first postseason. Unfortunately, it was and we can't muster much patience, if any, because any growth he might demonstrate in terms of handling bigger moments is crashing head-first into a much greater urgency to win before this paticular window is closed. I think the Texans are in a really crappy situation. (And, BTW/FYI - Geno Smith is #1 overall potential. The Texans ain't sniffing him.)
**** Shaub! He sucks and was the main reason why we are never going to the Super Bowl. Fire Kubiak and get rid of Shaub!
That guy looks so freaking HUGE & right there idk how you overlook him. Guess he did jump pretty high for it though.
One of two things...either this is a joke, which would be okay...or this is serious. If it is serious, at least be able to spell the guys name correctly if you want to talk crap about him.
Just for accuracy, he had a 115 QB rating in 2010 vs. KC. He also had an 89 in his rookie year. That said, you're right that his first 3 years in the playoffs were pretty crappy as a whole - but they were also the first 3 years of his NFL career. I don't think the "need to get your feet wet in the playoffs" holds. It holds for getting used to the league in general. But the rookies and their playoff performances this year are showing that it's not necessarily true that you have to get used to the playoffs. I don't think there's any real history that shows that its something players do on a regular basis. The good QBs tend to be good in the playoffs right away.
As reactionary and radical as your post sounds to many on this board, you represent the consensus of Texan's fans. Everywhere you can read comments about the season you will find a majority of comments representing the same sentiment. And I agree as well. The fact that the common fan can see more than the Texan's "brain trust" is disturbing, and therein lies the problem. Personally, I would never have hired Kubiak or signed Schaub; I didn't like either at the time. I thought after four seasons it was clear to McNair that Kubiak wasn't cutting it; he extended him. When Schaub got hurt last season, I felt certain McNair would wait til his contract ran out to evaluate him. Nope, he extended him before the start of the season. You can't fix stupid. Now we as fans are stuck seeing this charade year after year. Wait, I don't have to be a fan, whew, that was easy.
I know...... I know. My flicker of hope - I've never seen Schaub play like that. You can argue he's never had big moments and, ultimately, that's true. But the Denver game - at the time - was a big moment and he played like a champion. Same with Baltimore. Even the Detroit game... they weren't very good this year but it was a spotlight game and he made plays (against a pretty relentless -and dirty - defense). He even showed a little in the final drive of the first half against New England...
