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TJ YATES: What exactly is wrong with him?

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Rocket River, Jan 14, 2013.

  1. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost Member

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    I can anecdote too, brah.

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    55 yards > 45 yards
     
  2. edwardc

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    Kubiak is whats wrong with him he won't let him play.
     
  3. Ziggy

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    Good point on the Ravens game. I actually completely dismiss that game when I think back on Yates. He forced throws because well, for one he kind of had to and oh yeah, he's a 5th round rookie starting against the #1 defense in the NFL.

    I actually think he's similar to Tannehill, they're both poised and comfortable in the pocket.
     
  4. The Real Shady

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    Last years team was better. Our oline, rb play, and defense were all playing at an elite level. If we had Schaub that season I think we could have went all the way since that's the surrounding cast he needs to go all the way.

    Yates is the one who held us back that year because he was an inexperienced 5th round rookie qb.
     
  5. Fyreball

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    Last year's team with Schaub at the helm WOULD have made it to the Super Bowl. I actually feel very comfortable saying that. The line play was significantly better, the defense was However, Yates play was pretty much average, and sometimes below-average at best. And Rocket River....seriously?? We were closer to beating the Ravens last year?? Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, that has everything to do with the fact that A) last year's team was better and B) the Ravens are not NEARLY as good as the Patriots? This ridiculousness needs to stop. Yates is leading us nowhere.

    Just think about this, RR.....do you really want to be associated in the same conversation as that troll 713?? Just sayin....
     
  6. Fyreball

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    *The defense had fewer injuries, and not nearly as many holes.
     
  7. DonkeyMagic

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    Last year may have indeed been the texans year. Depressing.

    The whole argument for "put the backup qb in there" is so old, trite and tired that it's almost embarrassing that it's even being argued.
     
  8. Rocket River

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    Some of these don't even look like plays we run anymore
    I saw a split back set in there!

    Rocket River
     
  9. Rocket River

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    Not trolling
    but
    Not dismissing him . . .well . . because you like the other guy either

    I think we all know we ARE NOT bringing a new QB
    It is YATES - KEENAN or SCHUAB
    Period
    I think we need to know exactly what Yates is . . .
    Because if he is not going to be Schuab's successor . . .what's the point?
    I understood with Sage because Carr was young and we were not looking for a successor
    but
    Now we are in that mode and cannot afford to have a spot filler at the backup role

    Rocket River
     
  10. rezdawg

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    What's the purpose of the back up then?

    Rodgers was a back up...Kaepernick was a back up...Brady was a back up...Brees was a back up...the list goes on.

    At some point, you need to account for the future of the team. You dont wait until your starter is out of the league and then look for his replacement. Schaub isnt getting any better and if he regresses again next season, then the Texans are risking wasting the prime years of a lot of their key players. There needs to be some sort of competition for the starting spot, there needs to be some sort of challenge for Schaub. Instead of just giving him the job, put him in a position where he feels some pressure. And if Yates isnt the answer, then we need to quickly start looking for one, because I doubt Schaub will be the QB of this team in 3 years.
     
  11. Fyreball

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    I agree that the point of the backup is to have someone learning, watching, developing, and maturing while the starting incumbent leads the team to victories. In an ideal situation, you will always have a young, dynamic backup who is ready to come in and lead the team once the starter's best days are behind him. I think, in this system that Kubiak has built, it's fairly evident that they don't value the QB position like other teams do. If that was the case, why would they only spend a 5th round pick on a QB, along with some others off the scrap heap? I think they truly believe that as long as the QB has the BRAINS to run the system, his physical limitations can be overcome. The play of the offensive line is far more important to the success of this offense....according to Kubiak.

    Now, that miscalculation is possibly being exposed. Defenses have keyed in on our O-line's weaknesses, Schaub has potentially regressed at a much faster rate than the coaching staff was anticipating, and the elite teams have evolved beyond what the Texans can scheme for given their personnel. I believe they felt like they had a little longer to give Yates a chance to learn, and if need be, plug him in here or there whenever Schaub missed a game or two. However, I don't think even THEY truly believe that Yates is a long-term answer to this team's QB question.

    The real question is now, how much are they willing to address that dilemma THIS off-season. Unfortunately, we have a lot of holes on this team to plug, and for better or worse, we at least have a fully-capable starter at the quarterback position. To me, I say you give Schaub an ultimatum this off-season: work your butt off at developing better pocket presence, work on your timing and your progressions, and learn how to move the pocket. I want to see a sharper, and more mentally astute Schaub next season. If we can shore up the holes on the defense with solid, top-tier draft choices, and we consistently get Good Matt Schaub (not this garbage that's been out there for the last 6 weeks), then I feel ok giving him $7m next season. I think the Texans wait for the Manziel, Miller, Mariota class of QBs before they spend a high pick on that position.
     
  12. Poloshirtbandit

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    He played garbage time in the packers game and maybe in the reg season pats game.
     
  13. Poloshirtbandit

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    Sometimes you get lucky and suck at the right time... See colts.
     
  14. rezdawg

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    TJ Yates and his rookie season:

    61% completion rate
    7.08 ypa
    80.7 QB rating

    Quarterback X in his first 3 seasons in the NFL:

    59% completion rate
    6.17 ypa
    73.7 QB rating

    The thing that I dont understand is all the guys saying that Yates is inaccurate. Based on what? If you look at his numbers and if you look at his first game against the Falcons, I dont really see many instances of him being off with his throws. In any case, I made a comparison above. The quarterback that I have listed as "X" is Drew Brees. He was more inaccurate than Yates, he threw downfield less than Yates, and he threw more interceptions than touchdowns, even after having 2 years of additional NFL experience.

    I think those that are writing Yates off are jumping the gun way too quickly. Like I said, that Ravens game is still haunting Texans fans.
     
  15. rezdawg

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    Yes, if we have a tanking season, then we can get our first round QB...but are we really wanting to tank when AJ is starting his decline, when we just signed Foster and Brown, two of the staples of our offense? When we have Joseph, Cushing, Watt, etc... on defense? That would be a complete waste. Texans need to look for a QB...if not for this season, at least have something waiting in the wings when Schaub is done as the starter.
     
  16. DonnyMost

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    Andrew Luck :: Indianapolis Colts

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  18. josephnicks

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    yup no deep ball

    http://youtu.be/kWvno7pvo4E?t=7m
     
  19. utgrad97

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    I see Andre having to slow down to catch the pass from Schaub. I've seen that a lot over the years.
     
  20. Rocket River

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    Denver never valued RB's cause they felt they could just plug someone in
    it does get EXPLOSIVE when they got an elite back though
    One would think Kubes would have learned . . elite or even better make the system better


    Brains?? BRAINS???
    The QB doesn't need BRAINS
    YOU DO WHAT KUBES TELL YOU TO DO AND DON'T TURN THE BALL OVER
    Period. . . .

    Rocket River
     

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