[Toycen files] Sandy Hook shooting

And for you info, hipsters are the true scum of society. Can't stand the awful haircuts, dresscodes, music or way of life entirely.:grin:

 

BmwM3's last set of pictures is pretty crazy...

I can tell you by the teeth that it is 100% the same girl in all those pics.

 

Just to be clear, are you saying that based on the "evidence" you have seen and posted (essentially some people that resemble other people, frantic happenings during the course of a mass murder, inaccurate information being reported during a time of panic and a second or so worth of a grieving father smiling and laughing prior to a press conference) , that it is very possible that our government arranged for and sanctioned the murders of a number of grade schoolers to advance their gun control policy?

 

A million times zero is still zero, Liberon. But because I am gracious, I will let you continue. Surely you can list one of those highly credible numerous forums, can you not?

 

Lol love this.

Again, I'm always surprised by the sheer stupidity of conspiracy theorists

 

Here is how I ended my question:

".. that it is very possible that our government arranged for and sanctioned the murders of a number of grade schoolers to advance their gun control policy?"

Are you saying it is possible or not? You say you are not saying what I wrote, then you turn around and say you are saying what I wrote. I am confused.

 

I'm not watching the youtube videos and what-not, but I *think*/guess the conspiracy goes something like this:

1. The gub'ment is determined to "take our guns away," or at least pass some new and sensibly minor restrictions on assault weapons.
It is not clear why they want to do this, but it is "all part of their grand scheme."

2. The gub'ment creates a false flag operation (!!! our favorite thing, because it shows everyone else to be so teh DUMB !!!) whereby a mass shooting of children will be staged and promulgated via the easily controlled media. A small town will be chosen where everything can be faked. (I mean, if you can fake a moon landing...)
This false flag will create such sympathy for the poor (fake) slaughtered children that everyone will accept new gun restrictions which will eventually allow the gub'ment to take our guns.

3. They select Newton, Connecticut, even though it's an affluent town next to the single largest conglomeration of media outlets on the planet (New York City), many of which function very independently.
In the conspiracy, all media are in on the plot. Literally tens of thousands of people are conscripted to take a catastrophe.

4. Fake kids and fake families are created to be "killed" (wink, wink.) A number of real kids and their families are convinced or brainwashed to believe a tragedy actually happened, including teachers and staff who were in the school and now go forth to lie about it in a remarkably consistent way.

5. ??? Somehow the gub'ment keeps tens of thousands of people directly involved in the town, the investigation, the first-responders, and the media to keep telling the same lie and to keep collaborating. Usually, you can't keep even five people to keep a secret, but here, as with the moon landing, they've somehow done it! ???

5. Clever people on the internet see through the shoddy lie, since the gub'ment is known to be really crappy with photoshop!


But if anyone wants to follow some fact-finding related to various newton rumors, snopes has a decent page:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp

It hasn't been updated since Dec. 15th, but I'm sure they'll update it regarding these photos soon. Or maybe the fact that it hasn't been updated yet shows that they are... wait for it... in on the conspiracy themselves! They document the origins and the falsehood of the "actors as family members" rumors already.

And OP, I ain't even mad. I'm not the one using exclamation marks (except when I imitate the conspiracy theorists.) I speak out against people cherry picking evidence to concoct grand schemes because it's not very healthy. Skepticism is healthy, but skepticism is grounded on fact and evidence-finding at every turn, not just a few bits that fit a sexy and spooky narrative that conveniently makes you feel like you've figured out something while hundreds of millions of other humans have been duped.

We live in what some call the "post truth" age, and it makes some of us very sad.

 

I said "that cruel." I never said government can't be cruel, I've actually said the opposite. Truly though, if you think your government could fake the deaths of 20 little kids to move an agenda through... while getting thousands of people to keep quiet about it, how in the hell could you live in that country? Because your country would then be where the VAST majority of your fellow Americans believe it, while calling you delusional.

 

It's common knowledge who incites the most wars. Why do you think the world has a "join em if you can't beat em mentality?" It's not the average pawn (citizen)'s but the wealthiest that fund and control the wars either directly or indirectly. Why do you think immigration is still a hot button issue? Nobody wants to live horrid instability due to wars or economic strifes but if they had a decent place to live in the first place that wouldn't be an issue. :grin:

 

We have this thing... it's called Photoshop. Again, the video he's posted with the Facebook page, is clearly fake. The guy doesn't show the address bar, nor does he give context as to when or how it is recorded. That's the point. The people driving these conspiracies leave out certain details to help make them more plausible.

I will not believe anything I see in a picture or screenshot. Until I see the "official" facts that will eventually be released, this is all stupid.

 

It is like the old Dana Carvey routine:

"we're gonna frame OJ, pass it on"
"we're gonna frame OJ, pass it on"
"we're gonna frame OJ, pass it on"
"we're gonna frame OJ, pass it on"
"we're gonna frame OJ, pass it on"
"we're gonna frame OJ, pass it on"
"we're gonna frame OJ, pass it on"
"we're gonna frame OJ, pass it on"
"we're gonna frame OJ, pass it on"
"we're gonna frame OJ, pass it on"
"we're gonna frame OJ, pass it on"
"we're gonna frame OJ, pass it on"
"we're gonna frame OJ, pass it on"
"we're gonna frame OJ, pass it on"
....

 

Our government has been directly involved in the deaths of thousands and thousands of human beings...so yeah, I cant put anything past any government, whether here in the US or overseas in Iran.

Edit, Id much prefer the government to fake the deaths of children (in other words, nobody was harmed)...than start a baseless war bc of WMD in order to gain access to some oil.

 

Wow... and how do we here about atrocities that our government has done? Usually via the media, or whistle blowers. Nothing this massive stays secret. Period. End of story.

As an example, I find it hilarious that many of the 9/11 truthers believe George Bush is a moron... while then truly believing that under his watch the greatest and boldest lie that was ever told unfolded and remained a secret.

 

Well, I can't prove that it didn't happen, anymore than I can prove that the US government didn't have a super secret remote control device which guided the planes into the WTC or that the Apollo rocket was in fact powered by unicorn blood.

Generally, you see, when you make a claim, you present evidence. Claims that are a little bit more extraordinary (such as, perhaps, "The United States launched a false flag operation in a Connecticut school and created a fake school shooting in a densely populated New England area to TAKE AWAY OUR GUNS.") require more evidence than usual. And so far, the evidence presented by the conspiracy nutjobs is, "some white people look like each other and the secret US government has worse photoshop skills than me."

There is such a thing as a head so open that nothing stays in it.

This answers my request for an apparently credible Internet forum which shows how the US is the most evil government on the face of the earth how again?

 

What you're reporting aren't facts either as none of it can be proven, it just adds to the confusion. That's the point and that is what conspiracy theorists have, and always will strive for. They want there to be so much misinformation out there that it makes their radical claims plausible.

 

All I can tell you is that the attack on Iraq was the biggest traveshamockery Ive ever seen...not because of what the media said or what internet forums told me...I have relations with people who were directly involved with some of the behind the scenes stuff with the government and its a complete joke. Im not at liberty to say what it is, but I can tell you that nothing would surprise me with our government. If all our government was doing was faking deaths, that would be amazing and I would be so proud.