Random Houston Rockets Trade Ideas - 2012-13

That's a totally different thing man. What team wouldn't want the best center in the league. And fyi, a lot of Rockets fans (including myself) wanted James Harden as well.

If you wanna see what the majority thinks of Tyreke Evans, go ahead and start a poll asking the people if they want him. Let the majority speak.

 

You are right. Also, you've repeated the same statement 6 or 7 times in different words, that's some serious politician's talent right there...

 

No where did I call Blake garbage nor did I say he wasn't any good. But IN MY OPINION, as far as for the successful season they are having it's in large part due to CP and J. Crawford. He's been killing it...

And my apologies if I offended you by saying as of right now I think J. Crawford is the second best player on that team or at least the second most important, and there is no guarantees that CP will stay with the clippers.

 

I didn't know this was "Random Houston Rockets Trade Ideas THAT EVERYONE AGREES WITH" thread.

MY BAD...!!!

I should have known I was in the wrong thread with all these excellent trade ideas that everyone else have posted that everyone agrees with. How embarrassing... Gosh...

Well I propose the Rockets trade for Kevin Love. With all the draft picks and valuable players they have to trade im sure Morey can get er done... Is that better

 

2Pat, TD, MM for JSmoove

 

Atlanta would rather take their chances trying to keep him than just give him up for that package.

 

Do i think hes a super-star? Depends on how you wamt to define it... it gets alot of media hype and is a cash cow, that could be considerred a superstar if only in the business sense... as for talent-wise not so much... i think hes an all-star(deservedly now more than before)... there was a time when all he can do was dunk and miss freethrows, now he has been.developing nicely(maybe because of cp3... the truth is hes one of the better young pf and if i could get him om the rocketa i would def take it...

I understand and concur with your desire for the rockets to atleast try and obtain him... im 99% sure morey will indeed TRY... DM has said he believes cp3 is the best pg ever...

I do disagree with your statement on needing a dominant wing player over a dominant post player... while i agree we are thin and need help on the wing we only need solid role-players next to harden off the bench... we have a plethora of post players but none are legit post options...

I would entertain the idea of getting a bigger wing like an iggy or granger and run small ball while playing with more wing players and deep threats(granted iggy isnt much a threat)...

Interesting options this deadline but o do believe morey will do minor asset gathering style trades instead of any thing of significance... im thinking he will have his eyes set during the off-season for a big trade... as well as a marquee signing...

An interesting thought and fantasy of mine is with Love being out 2 months with another injury... hes been disgruntled about the contract he recieved, as well as lack of success in minny... he has said if they doesnt

 

Do i think hes a super-star? Depends on how you wamt to define it... it gets alot of media hype and is a cash cow, that could be considerred a superstar if only in the business sense... as for talent-wise not so much... i think hes an all-star(deservedly now more than before)... there was a time when all he can do was dunk and miss freethrows, now he has been.developing nicely(maybe because of cp3... the truth is hes one of the better young pf and if i could get him om the rocketa i would def take it...

I understand and concur with your desire for the rockets to atleast try and obtain him... im 99% sure morey will indeed TRY... DM has said he believes cp3 is the best pg ever...

I do disagree with your statement on needing a dominant wing player over a dominant post player... while i agree we are thin and need help on the wing we only need solid role-players next to harden off the bench... we have a plethora of post players but none are legit post options...

I would entertain the idea of getting a bigger wing like an iggy or granger and run small ball while playing with more wing players and deep threats(granted iggy isnt much a threat)...

Interesting options this deadline but o do believe morey will do minor asset gathering style trades instead of any thing of significance... im thinking he will have his eyes set during the off-season for a big trade... as well as a marquee signing...

An interesting thought and fantasy of mine is with Love being out 2 months with another injury... hes been disgruntled about the contract he recieved, as well as lack of success in minny... he has said if they dont make the playoffs he wants a trade... with him beomg out thier odds decrease significantly... also if we make the playoffs we fulfill our obligation to atlanta and can then trade multiple future picks...

Sooo some time after the draft we could posssibly wiah and hope we could trade for love while retaining a decent off season free agent...

 

Sorry for dbl post was on phone and accidently pressed reply, tried hitting X quik enough and going back...

 

I was thinking about how much salary that the Rockets can possibly take on using their current cap room without trading any of the bigger contracts on the team (Lin, Harden, Asik). So, I played around with some trades came up with the following. Let me know if I am missing something.


Trade 1:
Out: Patterson ($2,096,760)
In: Richard Hamilton, a First Round Pick ($5,000,000)

Trade 2:

Out: Hamilton, Aldrich ($7,445,480)
In: Devin Harris, Deshawn Stevenson ($10,740,450)


Trade 3a:
Out: Harris, Terrence Jones, 1st Round Pick from Bulls ($9,985,000)
In: Danny Granger ($13,058,606)

Trade 3b
Out: Marcus Morris, Toney Douglas, Deshawn Stephenson ($6,145,810)
In: Paul Millsap ($8,603,633)

Trade 4:

Out: Nominal consideration
In: Nazr Mohammed ($854,380).


I think this sequence of trades is kosher under the CBA (packaging of the likes of Hamilton, Stevenson and Harris are allowable because the Rockets are under the cap at the time right before and right after their acquisition).

Not that all the trade partners are likely to say yes... just thinking that HOU's $6.8M or so in cap space and a few minor contracts actually can allow it to take on a ton of salary (Granger and Millsap together make more than $21M).

 

The problem with trade 1 is it doesnt get chicago out of lux tax... they need to shed either 3.2 or 3.4 mill im not exactly sure buts its more than 3 flat...

Trade 2 i dont see why they trade harris for practically trash...

Both trade 3s seem not to be enough...

BUUUTTTT... i like your line of thinking and this is likely (IMO) what morey is looking to do... bunch of minor trades and flipping of assetts for better assetts and favorable contracts like unguarenteed and expirings... as well as picks...

 

Look at trade 4.

 

You and your Granger love.

 

Seems legit except for we cut him already...

 

we badly need to trade for a scoring 4 with defense..

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ch6os9j

1 draft pick from Denver and 1 draft pick from Philadelphia to Sacramento

c- Cousins / Smith
pf- Patterson / Hayes
sf- Parsons / Delfino
sg- Harden / Brooks
pg- Lin / Douglas

Motiejunas, Anderson, Beverly

:grin:

 

no we dont

 

No, it's worse than that.

1. The final team getting the player must be under the apron AFTER the sign-and-trade. So just because a team is under the Tax Apron but above the salary cap doesn't mean they can do a sign-and-trade. It would depend on how far under the Apron they are, and also the size of the sign and trade contract, to insure that they remain under the Apron after absorbing the sign and trade contract. This further narrows the pool of potential partners.

2. The team may need to give up their MLE in exchange for being allowed to receive a player in a sign and trade. Teams aren't allowed to receive a player in a sign and trade if they've already used their MLE.

3. The team receiving the player hard caps themselves. Once a team receives a player in a sign and trade, they then become hard capped to the apron. That means, as a consequence of receiving a player in a sign and trade, the team loses the right to use their MLE, Bi-annual exception, Trade Player Exceptions, Bird Rights Exceptions for other players on the team, etc., if doing so would put them over the apron. The Apron changes from a soft cap to a hard cap for the rest of the season. This means they wouldn't even be allowed to do future trades for the rest of the season if the salary taken back in those trades would bump them above the Apron since it's turned into a hard cap.

As you can see the new rules are very restrictive. Not only will the partner team have to be in the right salary circumstances, they would also have to be willing to subject themselves to a Hard Cap that can limit their future trade options for the rest of the season, as well as potentially lose the use of their MLE, Bi-annual Exceptions, Bird Rights Exceptions, etc.

Sign and trades will still happen, but they will be drastically less frequent because of the draconian new rules. The flurry of sign and trades that just happened last summer were GMs trying to avail themselves of the old rules before the new restrictions kick in. I disagree with your belief that sign and trades will still be frequent.

 

It appears to me that the quantity-for-quality trade for Paul Millsap and the luxury tax-avoidance Richard Hamilton trade is best combined into one three-team deal in which all parties get what they are wanting here:

Paul Millsap (expiring contract; makes around $7.2 mil in 2012-13) and Earl Watson (expiring contract; makes around $2 mil in 2012-13) to Houston;
Jamaal Tinsley (expiring contract; makes around $1.35 mil in 2012-13) to Chicago
Patrick Patterson (makes around $2.1 mil in 2012-13, around $3.1 mil in 2013-14, becomes restricted free agent in the summer of 2014), Donatas Motiejunas (makes around $1.35 mil in 2012-13, first year of a four-year rookie contract), Richard Hamilton (makes $5 mil in 2012-13, can be bought out for approximately $1 mil in the summer of 2013), and the Bulls' 2013 first round pick (lottery protected) to Utah

The Bulls dodge the 2012-13 luxury tax, the Jazz get an acceptable package for Millsap, and Houston gets Millsap. Houston then seeks to re-sign Millsap to a four-year extension averaging approximately $10-$11 mil/year. Millsap is a huge upgrade at the starting PF spot over Marcus Morris; Morris inherits Patrick Patterson's backup PF spot (probably a wash in the short term, although Morris presumably has more "upside" than Patterson, and doesn't cost as much as Patterson); Motiejunas is a non-rotation guy this season and presumably next season (2013-14), as well, so he will not be missed, at least for the next year and a half.

Revised 2012-13 Houston roster

Starting lineup

PG Jeremy Lin
SG James Harden
SF Chandler Parsons
PF Paul Millsap
C Omer Asik

Key reserves: Carlos Delfino, Toney Douglas, Greg Smith, Marcus Morris

End of the bench (little or no playing time): Cole Aldrich, Jamaal Tinsley, James Anderson

Developmental league: Terrence Jones, Patrick Beverly

Suspended without pay: Royce White

During the offseason, Houston would re-sign Millsap (if it hasn't already done so), exercise the team option ($3 mil) on Delfino, and let Douglas, Aldrich, and Tinsley walk. Houston replaces Douglas in the rotation with Beverly, most likely. Houston may attempt to trade either Morris or Jones for a 2013 first round pick, presumably a pick in the #11-#20 range, in order to draft a guard who can shoot lights out and play alongside either Harden or Lin, in the event that Beverly doesn't pan out (this also allows Houston to consider trading Lin at some point if this draft pick turns out to be a good NBA starting guard). Otherwise, I do not believe that the Rockets have a pick in next year's draft (please correct me if I'm mistaken), assuming the Rockets make the playoffs this season, that is. Not sure who takes the roster spots of Douglas, Aldrich, and Tinsley; these might be taken by dirt-cheap, low risk-medium/high upside young players (along the lines of Greg Smith, James Anderson, Patrick Beverly, etc.), although Morey will have other options on how to best utilize his 2013 cap space, obviously.

We may also see somebody agree to trade a useless player with a contract that expires at the end of the 2012-13 season for the headache/liability that is Royce White.

Projected 2013-14 Houston roster

Starting lineup

PG Jeremy Lin
SG James Harden
SF Chandler Parsons
PF Paul Millsap
C Omer Asik

Key reserves: Carlos Delfino, Patrick Beverly, Greg Smith, Marcus Morris

End of the bench (little or no playing time): Terrence Jones, Royce White (?), James Anderson

Other three roster spots: ?

 

makers us alot worse with no real rebounder or paint defender. counsins doesnt do that and hayes is overpayed undersized