We don't have deep threats? I don't think that means what you think it means. We have our damn tight ends getting open 30 yards down field on our play-action bootlegs all the time. AJ averaged 14.3 yards per catch, second only to Megatron's 16.1. Next in line was Brandon Marshall with 12.8! Kevin Walter averaged 12.6 yards, Owen Daniels 11.5 yards, Lestar Jean 25.2 yards, DeVier Posey 14.5 yards and Casey (9.7) and Graham (9.4) both averaged nearly 10 yards each. So it is completely BS that we don't pass well or deep. People seem to forget the first 12 games of the season even happened. Schaub hasn't forgotten how to throw for 300 yards, he's done so 25 times in his career...
I should have said outside of AJ. 12.6 and less isn't really a deep threat. LeStar and Posey each have 6 catches all year. It just seems we don't have a guy to take pressure off Andre and stretch the field a bit. Jacoby got over 500 yards last year on a 16.5 y/c average. None of our secondary receivers can touch that, and that has fed into Shaub's dropoff from 8.5 y/a last year (ol a factor too).
Kubiak . . . more than Schaub . .. has to bring his A GAME Rocket River "Well, I had to pull out the Holiday special insert Denny's menu for this game" - Kubiak
The Texans’ passing offense is based around creating levels – short, medium, long (with long generally equally 8-15 yards). It’s been like this since 2006. Kubiak will throw other wrinkles into the mix – but that’s, more or less, it’s foundation. It didn’t suddenly change - the plays they ran Saturday were the same plays they’ve always run. And yes, ordinarily – Schaub can and will “air” it out (ie look to the deep level. In fact, he does it a lot and it’s one of the reasons he’s generally a league-leader in YPA). But he routinely looked short and safe Saturday. I’m sure Kubiak instructed him not to make mistakes – but I’d be hard-pressed to believe he (who point blank said, pre-game, that he wanted his guys to play with no fear) shackled Schaub and forced him to play a radically different game. I’ve been one of Schaub’s biggest supporters on the board. But Schaub is not playing with a lot of confidence right now. I think he’s *terrified* to make a costly mistake and, thus, playing it much too safely. Dude… I started a thread back in October titled, “Schaub the ELITE.” You’re picking a fight with the wrong guy. But as much as I’ve defended him, he’s been a liability the past 5-6 weeks, or however long it’s been. He has not played to the level I believe he’s capable. And I don’t think it’s Kubiak’s fault at all.
No; but he's very obviously terrified to make deep throws. He's been playing afraid for several weeks now.
the thing that is funny about that play is that it was not conservative at all. not when we're backed up in our own territory. the detractors will only see what they want to see when it comes to schaub. It's like trying to convert a democrat to a republican and vice versa. He can't throw an 60 yard bomb but a 48 yarder works just as well. Those guys with the "e" word, they only complete less than one bomb a game, on average. Ironically, schaub is always in the top percentile with those types of throws in his career. Mayock, who knows a little more football than me and some of these fantasy league dorks, said it best when he was venting on how difficult it is to keep a rhythm qb in rhythm when you run 32 times a game. There aren't many consistent 4,000 yard passers with an 1,400 yard rusher* in today's nfl. 32 run attempts to 34 pass attemps**, that's impressive. Let me introduce you to our friend, "balance", something that goes under appreciated by the fantasy dorks. but but kaepernick looks cooler throwing his 170 yards a game, let's hop on his penis.. *Brady with riley is the only one. But brady is hall of famer and does not need to be an rhythm. he just creates it. ** I admire how balanced kubiak's play calling is. though forcing the balance, has gotten us in trouble in a couple of games.
While Kubiak certainly has issues with his close-to-the-vest play calling, he can only do so much with a limited QB. Matt Fraud is the biggest reason why the game was so close. They got to the Red-Zone four times but only punched it in once. One more touchdown and the game would have been a blowout. Matt Fraud gets to the Red-Zone and literally pees in his pants. Hes a clencher and a choker and It was because of his shrinkage in the Viking game, we lost home field advantage and the #1 seed. He's the f***'n problem.
I agree. He has never been a good deep ball thrower, and he can't remember how to throw a td as of late maybe it is nerves idk. The one to AJ was a bad throw and just out of reach. I can't blame AJ there although I have seen him make tougher catches before. Schaubs wheelhouse all season has been long clock eating drives that end in tds, and I hope he gets back to that.
there's nothing wrong with that. as long as he gets the ball in andre's vicinity, chances are next to none that the play will result in a pick. let your stars make plays. wish he'd do it way more often than he does.
kubiak went to oakland with ron dayne and carr throwing for negative seventeen yards and won. He can coach his ass off and aint the problem
AJ didn't have nearly 1600 yards last year either, we don't need anyone to help AJ out, he has PLENTY of help. We have one of the most solid TE cores in the league, and considering we run two TE sets constantly that is our forte. AJ is our deep threat, and he proved that many times this year. We don't line up 5 wide, that's not our team, nor Kubiak's gameplan. You guys seem to completely forget the fact that the Bengals have one of the best defensive teams in football. Kubiak didn't want to air it out, he didn't want to risk it... especially after the pick-six which WAS a risky play call. Kubiak is a conservative coach, and that's it. They had openings and could have been more aggressive, but they didn't have to risk a win to do so. Schaub is exactly the QB Kubiak wants him to be. If and when they need to throw it 50 times a game, he has proven that he can be that guy too. He's not mobile and he doesn't have a canon, but he reads defenses well, works extremely well in the system and protects the football. Kubiak is a great coach because the team is balanced, and it can adapt to whomever they are playing. Last week they needed to dominate time of possession, and they did just that. He could have been more aggressive in the red zone, but with the way the defense was playing he didn't have to. Remember, the defense held the Bengals to -6 yards passing in the first half! Kubiak isn't going to play the Patriots the same way he played the Bengals, because their offenses aren't even in the same league... and if people think he is going to do so, they're living in denial. How he is going to play the Bengals is going to differ because their offense is strong, and their defense is week... but it still comes down to controlling the clock, which is what the runs and conservative pass game does.
That's debatable but did Schaub all of a sudden forget how to throw long passes after that game? Obviously not.
And underthrows it. It either makes Andre become a defender or forces him to drop it. *see interception vs. Minnesota
Except, of course, against NE, Minnesota, and Indy over the last month or so. They didn't show much ability to adapt or adjust in any of those games. And putting the game in Schaub's hands once they got behind didn't work at all in any of them. I think the exact opposite of what you said is the case - when their system works, they look great. But if they have to adapt (say the running game or the defense isn't doing great), they don't seem to do that well at all. At least, that seems to be the case recently. I think HeyNow is right that Schaub is not playing with much confidence at all right now when the pressure is on him to make plays.
