Like a dictator, Obama threatens unprecedented gun control by executive order

Add one more question mark to the argument:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/09/keith-ratliff-fpsrussia-dead_n_2439284.html

Last paragraph just about sums it up.

 

Speaking of Hitler and Stalin I know a lot of people have cited them as being dictators who disarmed their people as an argument for not banning guns. I noticed many of these people have also blamed violence on movies and tv shows. Here's something to think about.

Hitler and Stalin did disarm their citizenry but they also greatly censored culture and blamed much of the ills of their society on what they saw as degenerate depraved art, movies and literature. Have you considered maybe it wasn't the lack of guns that allowed them to come to power but the lack of art?

 

I wonder how those numbers would look if it were solely reflective of prison population based on violent crime. In other words, we've got way too many people doing time relating to mar1juana, so how would the numbers look with non-violent offenders removed. Maybe it's a wash due to similar drug offenses in the other countries listed, but would be interesting to see. Sadly, I think too much money is made in the ever-expanding American prison system by keeping the population up, building new prisons employing security, etc.

Blah.

 

Both were aided incredibly by recruiting people who desperately wanted to have weapons.

But your point about massive censorship as being a central pillar of dictatorship is well made.

 

I cannot wait to go get me a tank and anti Warcraft munition so I can protect my family.

 

Yeah, I'm pretty much with you. Screw firearms -- Pshaw! When the bad-guys show up with their legally purchased semi-automatic assault rifles, they will never know what hit them when my home-made drone craft takes them out on the front doorstep, and if that doesn't get them, my home-made mustard gas will do the job.

I can't believe uncle Sam would try to regulate my use of mustard gas and my use of rocket-firing drone craft. I'm just trying to exercise my 2nd amendment rights and protect my family. I'm totally responsible, so I don't get what the big deal is.

 

Obama is just like Hitler and Stalin.

Yes...bigtexxx is unhinged once again.

 

Hitler said this:

Not. It is a completely made up quote with no legitimate citation whatsoever. The gun law he is supposedly talking about was passed in 1938 and effectively did away with the pretense that the Versailles Treaty terms on gun ownership were still in place. The 1938 lifted restriction on rifles, ammo, and all but a few handguns and lowered the age of gun ownership from 20 to 18. It also prohibited Jews from manufacturing guns, but if you think the 1938 German gun law was the catalyst for the Holocaust, you don't know very much about history.

Virtually every historical argument gun nuts put forward are awfully simplistic and fall under the logical fallacy of post hoc, ergo propter hoc, "after this, therefore because of this."

 

Thanks for being honest. It's unusual to find someone who will acknowledge that he simply believes what he believes and doesn't really have good rational justifications for what he believes.

But that kind of defeats the whole purpose of posting in a debate forum, right?

 

No, the provision specifically calls for a "well regulated" militia. You dressing up in camos and popping rounds off in the forest while referring to it as a "training exercise" hardly qualifies.

 

What is wrong with you? You were given the evidence. You are quoting the evidence. That's not some small bit of evidence either. That's what they call a smoking gun. How the founding fathers executed the 2nd amendment is probably how the writers intended for it to be executed since they are mostly one in same. You ask me what the meaning of the 2nd amendment is, well it's obvious given this bit of evidence.

the mental gymnastics you do....

You know you can just say 'I disagree with the 2nd amendment'. It won't make you a bad person. You don't have to insult the founding fathers by attributing false beliefs to them that they didn't practice.

 

Haha on the hitler banning guns. that's pretty funny. and even if true. the logic is pretty amazing.

Hey - Hitler liked god. I guess all people who like god are Hitlers.

 

In all fairness, they aren't. However, it would depend on how it is worded and whether it squares with how the Supreme Court has interpreted the Second Amendment.

 

No- it's pretty obviously you, witnesseth the last 3 pages of people laughing at and mocking your offensively stupid viewpoint and boosting their own self image in tandem,, much like an episode of "Here Comes Honey Boo-Boo". Guess which side of the glass you're on.

That your view is so reviled is the sign of a healthy society btw. And will only grow as the stigma of being associated with odious stupidity like yours and the NRA grows...enjoy!

 

Better that than another kid.

Dictate on 'em, Barack!

 

I don't disagree with the 2nd amendment. I disagree with your narrow and possibly incorrect interpretation of it. And don't tell me that I was 'quoting the evidence' simply by posting some wording from the 2nd amendment. That's not evidence. That's just the 2nd amendment.

And, as I stated earlier, I don't really have a position on this issue - but, the conservative arguments on this are so poorly reasoned and often completely irrational that I'm finding less and less reason to disagree with the anti-gun folks.

Do you actually understand that you're not making a rational argument? I'm not attributing any beliefs to the Founding Fathers (and really, you shouldn't disrespect them by failing to capitalize their honorary title). I'm not entirely sure what they believed in this respect (if there even was a 'they' in this sense - they may have been split on this idea), I have no idea how they'd feel about this amendment today, and here's the thing ... neither do you.

The only mental gymnastics I'm doing here is trying to get you to acknowledge that your arguments aren't rational. You haven't thought them through at all. Either you're just parroting the talking points of your party, or you simply believe what you believe and feel no need to justify it with actual reasons. Out of some idea of tradition, or out of habit, or something along those lines - you simply believe what you believe. I'm still not sure why you feel compelled to debate.

 

No matter that the potential of small arms defense means you go down fighting rather than in gas chambers. I'd rather have that defense. It doesn't matter the dent made but rather one's freedom to defend oneself.

True, but the revolutionary forces still put up a fight with small arms to hamper the logistics and the resources of Great Britain. It is in that area, that the power and ability of a mechanized war machine can be bogged down in the costs, the costs, the logistics, manpower and finally the costs

Now you are putting words in my mouth. What?...

If death is your main objective, then you should get rid of other things. The fact is criminals will always have illegal weapons whether relegated or not. guns make it easier to defend yourself, that is the way I see it. Home invasion happens, and home defense via firearms is a definite detriment on the minds of those who might home invade. Guns have saved so many lives and will continue to do so.

 

Not at all. So wrong. Home invasion happens and many, many lives have been saved by lethal force. That is undeniable. Home invader walks in, but does not walk out. I love that!