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Schaub the ELITE

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Hey Now!, Oct 1, 2012.

  1. Major

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    Other people have already mentioned this, but he can't make the zip throw to a moving receiver in that long-range. For example, the Andrew Luck 3rd-and-23 or whatever TD in the last week of the season - that's a play that requires an accurate and strong arm to get the ball there in stride and before the defense can make up ground. That's the type of play Schaub can't make.

    Of the all the things to not be able to do, that's a good one to pick because you can run an offense without it. Decision making and short-throw precision are far more important, and he's good with those. But it's still true that he doesn't have the arm strength/accuracy for the deep ball to a non-wide-open target.
     
  2. Rocket River

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    Out of curiousity
    What are ALL THE THROWS you expect from a QB
    What do they mean by that. . . . . HE can make ALL THE THROWS.

    Trying to think of the type of passes a QB makes
    The Screen pass - not too much zip on it
    The Quick Out - Alot of zip and positioned away from the defense
    The Slant - zip and maybe low or infront of the receiver
    The Hook or The Back Shoulder - Some zip but well timed.
    The Bomb - In front of the receiver and very long
    The Long zip Pass in the middle of the field - has to get there in a hurry because of traffic
    The precise positioned pass - between defenders or over them into the receiver's hand

    am I missing any?

    Rocket River
     
  3. josephnicks

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    patriots pulled their starters after welker went down and being up by 2 scores... lol at lead us to a respectable 9-7.. thats the problem right there people see the numbers and think thats the end of the story.. a couple of freak plays...? you mean ilke a matt schaub pick 6 to end th egame at arizona.? we got manhandled by the rookie mark sanchez, the texans were 5-7 before closing out the season against 3 crap teams then got a gift from new england..
     
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    I think they should add a play for 2nd and short where Shaub actually runs or has the option to run. The predictability of Arian running over the left side in those situations needs to be broken up.
     
  5. Nimo

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    What about 3rd and short?

     
  6. The Cat

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    Not true AT ALL. Hoyer played two series in the entire game -- one in the first half, one in the second. New England starters played nearly the entire game, including the period in the fourth quarter from taking the 27-13 lead to when they went down 34-27. Here's the play-by-play:

    http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=300103034&period=0
     
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    :p t schaub and running.
     
  8. Hey Now!

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    You're welcome to your opinion, of course, but let's at least agree to base those opinions on fact and not your obviously hazy memory. They pulled Brady (Moss and the other starters played) for a first half series and then, after watching Brady get beat up for 3.5 Qs, pulled him for the final series, too.

    It didn't end the game; Schaub subsequently drove the Texans back to the Arizona 1 where they failed to punch it in for the tie on four plays. *That's* how the game ended. A game against Jacksonville that year also ended at the opponent 1-yard line (Brown fumbled right? I've blocked it from my memory). And Kris Brown missed two makeable FGs Schaub put him in position to attempt that would have sent Titan and Colt games to OT.

    I believe those are the freak plays he's referring to. If one of those bounce their way, they're 10-6 and in the playoffs.

    Yes, the Texans lost to the Jets and thus, ultimately, have no one to blame but themselves. But let's keep in mind: the Jets were 7-7 and you want to talk about gifts - played against the Colts and Bengals' back-ups in the final two weeks to secure two wins I'm not sure they would have gotten in otherwise. The Colts were, iirc, 13-1? Or maybe even 14-0. And the Jets drew Curtis Painter.
     
  9. sammy

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    Exactly what I was thinking. Brady was pulled before the last series and the Pats were clearly in it to win it.
     
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    The 2007 version of Sage Rosenfels would be perfect for this team.
     
  11. Major

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    The Bengals game was at home - given that the next week, they went to Cinci and won a playoff game, they probably win that game even if Cinci plays their starteres. The Colts were 14-0 and played their starters into the 3rd quarter. Early in the 2nd half, Jets led 10-9 and only trailed 15-10 when Manning and company left the game. They did lose to the Colts in the AFC Championship game a few weeks later (Jets led that game at the half), so the Jets likely lose that game if the Colts play all the way, but it wasn't quite definitive.
     
  12. sammy

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    No way the Jets win that game if Peyton isn't pulled.
     
  13. ubigred

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    You clearly don't watch the actual games. Even DonnyMost and HeyNow would disagree with that statement.
     
  14. The Cat

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    Interesting Schaub numbers from Pro Football Focus:

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/06/refo-bengals-texans-afc-wild-card/

    Needless to say, that has to change this weekend. Matt looked terrified of making a big mistake for large chunks of that game, and that's not the approach that will get you 30 in New England. Hopefully getting a win under his belt will help regain confidence. (Also, and I'm probably reaching here, but perhaps a little bit of his conservatism had to do with how woeful the Bengals were on offense.)
     
  15. Nimo

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    This probably also helped him not get sacked. The more deep balls a QB goes for, the better the chance he gets sacks. I don't mind the short passes, like running the ball it keeps the opposing offense off the field.
     
  16. The Cat

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    Some of it, yes. But you have to look downfield to win playoff games. Keep in mind, the Texans were potentially one better Dalton throw from losing.

    From the press box view (entire field), one play that stood out to me Saturday was the 8-yard dumpoff to Foster that set up the first Graham field goal. Solid gain, nothing to be ashamed of. But Matt had Andre absolutely wide open on about the 20-yard line and didn't see him. There was a safety about 6-8 yards behind him, so it wouldn't have been a touchdown, but it was an easy 20+ yard gain. There were a few other examples of this throughout the game, though none were quite as blatant.

    Bottom line is that Matt took a lot of safe throws and looked reluctant to take any risk down the field, even when opportunities were there. That's fine against the Bengals in a game your defense controls, but he's going to have to mix it up more in New England. I could be wrong, but to me it reeked of a quarterback with shaky confidence, and we just have to hope the win helps him get it back.
     
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  17. Nimo

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    You could also say the Texans were one dropped pass (OD) and one better throw from Schaub (AJ in the endzone) from a blowout.

    Yes. Schaub looked schaky :) It was his first playoff game and he probably was a little nervous. If this team is depending on Schaub to make long throws to win the game then they're probably going to lose.
     
  18. jbasket

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    I agree absolutely. I was raging about that with my friends: too many "check-downs"
     
  19. ubigred

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    Flacco in this system and with the current weapons would be awesome!
     
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    Only YOU would be crying.


     

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