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Schaub the ELITE

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Hey Now!, Oct 1, 2012.

  1. PDJACK7

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    Yes, cause he is not elite, but he is not a total waste neither. I don't hate him, but also don't think he's this great QB many think he is.
     
  2. ubigred

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    262 yds 0 tds 1 pick6

    A decent game. Moved the offense up and down the field. Stalled in the red zone.

    Pick 6 was glaring.
     
  3. oelman44

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    Matt Schaub had a better statistical season than Tom Brady that year, with no running game and a mediocre defense he was able to lead us to a respectable 9-7 record, just missing the playoffs. If it wasn't for a couple of freak plays that lost a bunch of close games, the Texans could have been even better.
     
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    Schaub is very good under center, and great on the bootleg.

    Problem is, there's more to football than that. Dude is average-to-below-average from the shotgun. Dude can't throw a decent deep ball to save his life. Dude can't run for the first down with a mack-truck-sized lane in front of him.

    Pretty good for Kubiak's offense when everything goes right, but how often does *everything* go right? The Texans as they are simply cannot improvise and adjust. Beat Kubiak's "Plan A", and they're screwed. They get beat like a drum.
     
  6. conquistador#11

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    he is actually better than people realize under shotgun. People just omit the good things he does and focus on the negative . he can make throws from 30-45 yards with the best of them, as he always in the top 10 with big plays. For example, some people around here and radio, look down on schaub when he drives all the way from the texans 15 yard line to the redzone to finally put in the hands of foster for the 4 yard off tackle dive. That's 90's and mid 2000s football. Why wouldn't you hand it off to your awesome RB.

    Yes, The pick six was a bone headed throw, but it's the same throw he drilled to AJ for the clincher against chump bailey. This system is designed to give the qb protection to the max, and most times than not it does. You don't accumulate that career qbr by being a "game manager" like some dorks like to believe.

    that said, where matt is god awful is when he is being blitzed. He ranks in the bottom. But again, the line has always done a decent job of picking it up, except in the final games of this season. =/

    Like C in Bronx Tale, Matt schaub doesn't pay my rent. But I will continue believing in him because it's ridiculous to think he can't make the throws, when we've seen him make them. I'll stop believing in him when we can't advance to the afc championship. Big picture.. we all want to be glorious with the lombardi.
     
  7. DonnyMost

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    He's right.

    Turning the ball over in the redzone on any one of those trips would have allowed Cincinatti to tie the game with a fieldgoal at the end instead of throwing that prayer heave to the endzone.
     
  8. emjohn

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    He really, really can't. The system does an amazing job of setting up wide open deep balls, but anyone that actually watches the games, especially in person (seeing the whole field/play as opposed to the limited TV angle) can tell you that Schaub doesn't/hasn't/can't deliver a 30+ yard bomb "with the best of them."

    He gets it there, but 9 times out of 10 he cannot put the ball in front of the receiver and hit him in stride. His deep ball generally lofts and wideouts have to either hold up or come back to get it as a jump ball.

    Schaub is a fantastic decision maker, but he has a subpar arm in this current era of high octane QBs.
     
  9. MadMax

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    That's a team playing not to lose. I hate that.
     
  10. DonnyMost

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    And they didn't lose :)
     
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  11. DonkeyMagic

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    That's not totally accurate. The underthrows that we grown to love typically happen on long developing boot plays where the ball is 40+ yards plus. But there isn't too much to argue, we all know he doesn't have the big gun arm, I'm just splitting hairs with the distance.
     
  12. DonnyMost

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    I think Schaub can throw it deep. We just tend to focus on his underthrows for some reason. (especially within 15 yards, as is his risk averse nature)

    What I think he can't do is place the ball with consistent accuracy beyond 25 yards.

    I also think his velocity on most throws is below average.
     
  13. Mr. Clutch

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    Who on this team can get open deep? Andre, and that's it.

    Daniels gets open underneath, and Foster is a good receiving back.

    All our other WRs are pretty weak.
     
  14. MadMax

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    Because GingerArm overthrew his receiver in the endzone. Game should never have been that close. Play that way against NE, and they'll get throttled.
     
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    I'm on the fence with this.

    You def don't want to ever be reckless and force plays, but if there is ever a place where your offense should be aggressive - That place is the Red Zone.

    If the Texans are going to stick with that mentality they'll need step up thier execution, 10x.
     
  16. DonnyMost

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    Pretty much. It's not a deep ball offense. Never has been, never will be. There's two or three moments per game where we have an opportunity to cash in for 30+ yards. But that's about it. No unleashing the dragon for this team.
     
  17. DonnyMost

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    People are getting mad as if the Texans have already gone turtle mode against the Patriots. I'll wait to see it first. I have no reason to think they will play not to lose when they're betting house money.
     
  18. Mr. Clutch

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    Last couple years I thought we were a decent deep ball team.

    It's a shame none of our young WRs are panning out so far. Though I do like Keyshawn's steady hands on punt returns.
     
  19. Mr. Clutch

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    I expect some trick plays.

    Probably bring back that screen pass to Andre too.
     
  20. DonnyMost

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    Absolutely. Just not half-back passes.

    If you're playing in Foxboro and you go turtle, you deserve to lose.

    I think even Kubiak knows he's going to need 30+ points to pull this one out.
     

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