ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Cavaliers 1/5/2013

i don't get all this rage, when Scola and Battier were here, no one was complaining this much

 

Jeremy Lin does not deserve to be in the all star game.. Period. I will fell bad for Lin if he is voted in, he will be embarrassed.

 

But forget about Lin and Flop-Gate.

It does seem like Harden gets a lot of superstar calls. I like it as I'm a Rocket's fan, but man, if I were a fan of the other teams I'd be unhappy. But that's how the game goes. I'm just glad he is a Rocket.

 

Okay, since many people have different perception on what a flop is, let the league decide. We will know in a few days. I will bet Lin is clean.

But you can't argue that is not an offensive foul with the left arm push off. The NBA rule is clear that one cannot use the other arm to gain advantage offensively.

Whether Irvin's arm used enough strength to push off Lin is up to the referee to decide (in this case, the referee acknowledge the arm push off)

 

I don't think badly of you so don't feel like you're in a mess.

Your comments aren't bad, but the thing that made me respond was your aggressive style like telling people not to be ridiculous or something in those lines. If you had stated it and not made it sound like the rest of us were stupid or blinded by bias, your point would have been heard louder.

 

Fantastic thread especially the wrestling themes.

 

It wasn't a flop. If you watch the gif and look at how much head on head impact there was, it would definitely knock you back. Just watch right before they collide heads, how Kyrie and Jeremy accelerate into one another. Kyrie then pushes Lin off with his left arm while Lin is off balance causing him to fall.

 

Completely agree, I don't care either. Lin can flop all he wants as long as he is getting the calls! :grin:

I actually think a lot of those votes are delusional. Any other player with the same exact statistics as Lin wouldn't be getting more votes than James Harden, or Russel Westbrook. Most analyists and people who know a lot about the game of basketball would say that Lin shouldn't be ahead of Harden and Westbrook in All Star Voting. Same thing when Yao Ming got voted in his rookie season ahead of Shaq, who was clearly the best center in the league at the time. (Don't get me wrong, Yao completely deserved most of his all star starts, I miss Yao, he was awesome.)

No one was trying to defend their flops this much either. Not sure if your comment was directed at me, but I for one am not complaining about the flop, I'm complaining about people making ridiculous claims about, say, Irving's mask making Lin fall back like that, lol.

 

League only goes after blatant flops.

I'm not even saying it's not a foul, I'm saying he exaggerated the contact.

Anyways it's not a bad thing either way, just calling it like I see it. Don't care either way.

 

It's easy for us to watch and say it is a flop. My first reaction was that it was a flop. However, the replay shows that he was hit on the nose, and even the smallest contact there can cause some reaction. Lin has also never been the kind to flop before, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

I think Lin was just trying to avoid another head collision after getting 5 stitches last night.

 

Totally agree with this. Harden will get supertar calls and will occasionally flop as well.

Yeah, probably shouldn't have said that, just my inner rage coming out, lol. In all seriousness, I called the claim ridiculous because if the same thing happened on the other end, everyone would call it a flop no doubt. No one would be posting gifs trying to defend that ****.

 

"This rockets team will run you when they're tired, they'll run you when they're full of energy. They'll run you run you run you."

-Cavs commentators. Haha.

 

Who the eff cares if Lin supposedly flopped or not? Will it change the fact that we still won? NOOOO. Jeez, some of you are just so damn stubborn and just want to prove you are right or something. A lot of nba players flop, why is it such a big deal if Lin did or not? Freaking double standards

 

it is so ridiculous，people dont talk about winning，or you hope to lose. you only focus on lin flopped so damn.

 

Why would he be embarrassed? He will get a chance to showcase his talents, particularly his court vision and his ability to pass the ball, and in the ASG to players who can actually catch and finish. He'll have his own highlight reel if makes it.

 

Does anybody watch these videos?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTGl46YOovI

 

Lin's 2012 Highlights by GERALDD39 (Sorry, wrong thread)

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Everything that's deemed negative about Lin always gets magnified because he has over 4k fans here . Normal stuff.

 

Hey guys, I want to introduce another advance stat for tonight's game. (There's like no websites that calculates the majority of advance stats out there on a nightly basis.)

Introducing Points Created - basically a bottom-line stat that shows how well a player performed in a particular game. It's based on primary and secondary box score stats, so while it won't have much defensive metric value, it should be a pretty good measure of offensive performance. This stat was created by Bob Bellotti who use to work for the Buck and Wiz front office. (More info)

On to the data for tonight:

Greg Smith, PF: 0.715
Marcus Morris, PF: 0.54
Patrick Patterson, PF: 0.475
James Harden, SG: 0.45
Jeremy Lin, PG: 0.346
Omer Asik, C: 0.334
Carlos Delfino, SF: 0.209
Toney Douglas, PG: 0.156
Chandler Parsons, SF: 0.028


Kevin Jones, PF: 0.713
Tristan Thompson, PF: 0.638
Tyler Zeller, C: 0.526
Alonzo Gee, SF: 0.433
Kyrie Irving, PG: 0.351
Luke Walton, SF: 0.247
Dion Waiters, SG: 0.059
Shaun Livingston, PG: 0.022
C.J. Miles, SF: -0.127

Basically what you're seeing here is points created per offensive possession. It's scaled in such a way to display the stat in a "batting average" format to help you more easily gauge performance.

What the numbers mean:

Above .650
Superstar category. Normally, only a handful of players each season reach this level of performance.

.550-.650
All-Stars are in this range, or either just below or above it.

.450-.550
Good players who are sometimes outstanding fall into this category.

.350-.450
Regulars. Solid players who are either starters or among a team's first seven or eight regulars.

.250-.350
Poor. Players in this category are frequently rookies, or veterans whose skills are declining.

Below .200
Awful. Players in this category are living life on the edge. Most are soon traded or released.

The biggest difference vs this and Hollinger's GameScore metric, which I posted earlier, is that Points Created factors minuted played whereas GameScore does not. So Points Created is also a measure of efficiency. This is why Greg Smith is up there so high, much higher than Harden/Lin.