ClutchFans Game Thread: Hornets @ Rockets 1/2/2013

Wow who is this Jimmy ling?

 

You can not get any more bias than this.

 

I like your state about all boys, as lin's fan i am happy that you give jeremy objective evaluation. Although he does not well so far, but he has improve a lot if you see his performances in nyk except scores.

 

What would you change about this? Just curious. It doesn't seem half bad though Harden could be bumped up 1 notch on the drive and dish. And Lins scoring could be dropped one notch to average considering his shooting woes. Though I'd take the San Antonio game as partial evidence that had Lin wanted, he could score above average if he wanted to or if our offense predicated it.

 

If in has elite court vision then Harden is very, very, very good because the difference is miniscule at best between the two. He has Harden average and Lin elite. The disparity is to much

 

i read most of your posts, and i like your objection.

 

Shoot, Lin's drive ior dribble penetration could be higher 1 notch

 

You're right. Hardens court vision is above average. Lin, almost elite.

 

Scoring abilities.

Lin is not above average, he is average. He is very good at driving to the rim but he struggles with shooting. Until he gets that back he is only average in this aspect.

Floor general.

You might as well just say Lin is a better leader than Harden because I think so. If by floor general the poster meant "playmaker" then no Harden is anything but average in this aspect.

Court vision.

How anyone could say Harden has merely average court vision I have no idea. Even in OKC days they rely heavily on Harden to make plays in the closing moments of the game.

 

While Lin's court vision is no where near elite.

 

Didn't see that, but my point still stands about LOF's using the "if so-and-so would have made 'x' amount of shots, Lin would have more assists" argument. It's just incredibly annoying and you could literally say that about anyone in the NBA.

 

I don't get why it's an absurd argument.

It's like saying put Asik on the suns with Nash running the point, it's pretty safe to say you wouldn't see all those easy dunks Amare had therefore Nash wouldn't average the same amount of assists. Make sense now?

 

Ooh, boy.

Yes, the argument about having better finishers does apply to anybody. Of course it does. However, I was talking about Lin. And I was talking about Lin in regards to Vasquez. So, your exasperation is misplaced. If you're mad we're talking about Lin, then I'm not sure what to tell you. The conversation was about him.

Having superior finishers and shooters matters. I'll give you a great example:

http://tampabay.sbnation.com/miami-.../lebron-james-assists-ray-allen-rashard-lewis

It was thought that LeBron James' assist numbers would go up this season because of the addition, primarily, of Ray Allen. Or, when LeBron played in Cleveland and there was talk that Cleveland may acquire Amare Stoudemire, there was the same talk of possible raised LeBron assist numbers because of how good of a finisher Amare is at the rim.

Good finishers and shooters matter for the person's assist numbers who is primarily feeding them the ball.

Asik is not a good finisher at this point in his career. That's just reality. We've all seen it, game in and game out. The coaching staff has seen it, which is why Kelvin Sampson said to media one time when he was coaching the team something along the lines of "we're trying to convince Omer of this crazy concept of trying to dunk everything around the rim."

In the game against the Hornets, Lin got a good number of what I call "blown assists." That is, guys not making a shot or finishing at the rim on good passes. On the other hand, Vasquez seemed to have good fortune in his shooters making shots for him, and his assist tally reflected that.

It happens. Some nights guys hit shots, other nights they don't. I'm not really worried about it.

However, the topic was Lin vs Vasquez in last night's game. Head to head, Lin more than held his own against Vasquez. Vasquez did the majority of his scoring damage against Toney Douglas. This is why people complain about "stat sheet reporters" who don't understand what actually took place on the court.

For the night, Vasqeuz performed better than Lin -- against everyone he faced. But head to head, Lin at least held his own and may have gotten the better of Vasquez.

I don't think these are particularly difficult concepts to grasp. It pretty much breaks down to two things -- how did one guy do when matched up with the other, and how did he do when matched up with another defender; and how many shots did teammates make or miss when fed a would-be assist.

The thing I am happiest about is that Houston won the game and I thought Lin got some payback for what I felt was some outsized Vasquez bravado in the teams' first meeting. I don't have to get lost in the minutia of the data. Lin "W," Vasquez "L." For the second straight game. So if you don't want to get too bogged down in statistical or other arguments, perhaps that will suffice?

 

Thanks, Marry.

I am a fan of the Rockets and of Lin. Just trying to have a good conversation here.

 

I agree. And assists numbers don't matter anyways. It's about winning games and making plays. Penetrating and creating a hockey assists, or assists that result in free throws, are better than having assists where all you do is swing it and someone hits a deep 2. Of course if you have better shooters and finishers you will have better assist numbers as a point guard but ultimately these are just numbers and everyone should be using their common sense in addition to stats to make judgements, with ultimately wins being more important than anything.

 

Uhhh. Awkward. Wasn't the compliment for Roxxy? I mean I do like your posts but.. Lol

 

Yeah, it was. I quoted the wrong post. Marry made a different post to me.

Sorry Marry and Roxxy!

 

Ahhh. I see you replied to the wrong compliment. Nvm

 

It's all good