Schaub has been off. But the whole O has been off...pretty much all year. Where are the big gainers for Foster in the running game this year? Why is Schaub looking scared in the pocket again? Its the O-LINE. Often overlooked, but paramount to O-Line productivity is consistency (how long theyve played together as a unit). So basically flipping the right side of the line did us in, on the Offensive side of the ball anyway. Lots of talent, but no familiarity, no trust. Schaub looked "elite" before he got hurt last season cause the bigs up front were ballin & he was confident, trusted his line'. He doesnt have the pocket shiftiness of Brees, or the quick decision making of 8-head Manning, hes not mobile like RG3 or even Romo. He gets rattled when he feels pressure & has zero escapability. I thought taking that hit in Denver turned a page...guess not. He will always be jittery unless he has time. Then he can & likely will be elite.
The Seahawks didn't have an established QB and the projected starter got hurt in the preseason, opening the door for Wilson. The 49ers didn't make a change until injury.
Matt Schaub is a good enough QB to win you games if you surround him with a good running game and a solid defense but he has never been the type of qb that will win you games "on his own." To me that is the problem with calling him elite. Rodgers has been playing behind a bad oline for years but made it work. Manning is pretty much an OC under center and can play call his team into success. Brady won superbowls without a great rb or wr and is just an all around better passer than Schaub. If you are going to be considered elite at the qb position you need to be able to make up for the deficiencies your offense has. Matt Schaub has never been that guy.
This is exactly right. Schaub wasn't "elite" during the good stretch: he was the same QB he is now. The difference was that the rest of the team was performing at an elite level, so he wasn't asked to do as much, and he excelled at the limited things he was asked to do. Elite players carry teams on their shoulders - that's not Schaub. He's simply a superb game-manager. If the running game and defense can rebound, the Texans can win with Schaub. If not, then he's not going to carry the team anywhere. This is in contrast to a Manning, Brady, Rodgers, etc who can lift up a team that has major deficiencies.
the seahawks just signed flynn to a 3 yr $26M deal! i get what you're saying but honestly who cares if he's injured or not? if his subpar play continues they need to begin looking elsewhere... i can't figure out why this team is so willing to settle for the path of least resistance. you have an immobile qb who is practically incapable of extending plays and lacks arm strength and plays terribly under pressure.... why are we acting like there's no point in looking for something better???
Couldn't agree more. People always want to extend the elite category and throw other players that are a rung below into it. There are only a few elite QBs in this league and Schaub is far from it. If you don't think Schaub is on the level of Manning, Brady, Brees and Rodgers then you shouldn't be calling him elite. If anybody honestly thinks that the Texans wouldn't be much better off with any one of those four guys they are kidding themselves.
Let's walk back through history. 2000 - Ravens: totally carried by their defense 2001 - Patriots: mostly defense and a hell of a lot of luck 2002 - Bucs: dominant defense 2003 - Patriots: defense + progression of Brady 2004 - Patriots: very balanced team (Corey Dillon had a great year) 2005 - Steelers: dominant defense + outstanding running game 2006 - Colts: very balanced team but keyed by their QB (should be noted this was the best defense and running game Peyton ever had to work with in his entire tenure in Indy) 2007 - Giants: great defense and solid running game 2008 - Steelers: balanced team but definitely better D than O 2009 - Saints: great O with a risk-reward style D 2010 - Packers: great O with a risk-reward style D 2011 - Giants: balanced team with slightly better D than O I do this to demonstrate how very seldom teams that rely solely on their QB win Superbowls. The hero QB who just chucks that s*** all over the field and carries a non-existant running game and crappy defense to the title is a rare, if ever, exception. Since Brady has gone Super Sayain (2005), he hasn't won a Superbowl.
I'm not downplaying the importance of the other positions and aspects of football. I'm only pointing out how the elite QBs can over come that
How often do they? rarely. that is the point of the post: and eliminating our super bowl hopes to near zero because of the mystical elite quarterback is just irrational. you can win with a Schaub at quarterback, and that has happened many times in history.
well they haven't, not at least since steve young pulled the monkey of his back. Unless you consider the time kurt warner sold his soul to satan, only to lose to a game managing qb a season later. Shoot, elway doesn't win it without a superb running game.
That's wonderful. But the QB has been, more often than not in recent history, not the prime reason a team has won a Superbowl.
Re-read the list and realize that though they are regarded as elite now, in those years they were mostly not very good. 2000 - Ravens: Crappy QB play 2001 - Patriots: Average QB play 2002 - Bucs: Slightly above average QB play 2003 - Patriots: Good QB play 2004 - Patriots: Very good QB play 2005 - Steelers: Crappy QB play 2006 - Colts: Great QB play 2007 - Giants: Below average QB play 2008 - Steelers: Very good QB play 2009 - Saints: Great QB play 2010 - Packers: Great QB play 2011 - Giants: Very Good QB play
wow! so what you're saying is a team has to generally be pretty good to win a superbowl??? that's a pretty mind-blowing statement... kudos! look at the damn list of superbowl winning qb's over the past 25 years and tell me what theme you notice.... nobody is saying that schaub has to be the SOLE reason this team wins it all, only that schaub is in fact a bigger liability than he is an asset for a team w REAL superbowl aspirations. spin it any way you want, chief, but it is what it is and schaub ain't it. jesus it's like the schaub nut-huggers take a slight on schaub as a personal affront.
