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James Harden is as good a playmaker as Jeremy Lin.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by RoxD, Jan 1, 2013.

  1. RickyNewport

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    Like was posted earlier, NYC went 6-1 when Lin and Mello where together under Woodson. So what are you talking about...???
     
  2. RickyNewport

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    Yea, just like they should give Lin a full season before trying to run the offense through him. But I'm sure you wouldn't agree with that...lol..
     
  3. roxxy

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    I love it when people try to read my mind over the internet. My favourite part of online forums.
     
  4. yunac010

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    I'm just glad our starting SG is as good a playmaker as our starting PG because to be quite honest our backup PG sucks. When Lin gets a breather during games we still have a good playmaker out there.

    Win for the Rockets.
     
  5. RickyNewport

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    And I guess the super star performance that Harden had during the playoffs last year to help OKC get to the finals means nothing.

    Lin will be an All Star this year as well so since they are both All Stars they are on the same level... So its a tie...lol..
     
  6. RickyNewport

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    Why should I have to read your mind when I can just read your post...???
     
  7. choujie

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    One possible reason is when Lin is off the court, the pace gets even faster but the shot selection becomes much worse, and there are fewer fast-break opportunities because of less steals, blocks and rebounds.

    43.7% can't be considered as "slightly better shooting" over 45.9%.
     
  8. roxxy

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    Where did I post that the offense should be run solely through Lin?
     
  9. my2cents

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    D'antonion just used one game and he trusted Lin. As reward he got one of the life thing-- Linsanity.

    Harden wasn't a starter before he joined Rocket and had zero team leader record, at least Lin had winning records as a team leader. In current situation should we need to let both them wait?
     
  10. Akim523

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    Or his scrub-esque performance in the finals?

    1 game or a stretch of games is not the defining factor of one being a superstar or a scrub.

    Your second paragraph is even more ridiculous, Mo Williams was in the all star game once so its a tie between him and Lebron?

    You can do better than that mate.
     
  11. tksense

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    That's because when Lin's off, Harden is there most of the time. When Harden was off, both Lin and Harden were off, only until recently did the rotation change so that either one will be on the court.
     
  12. RickyNewport

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    Ok, Harden wasn't a starter (although he averaged starters minutes) and his masterful performance during the playoffs last year when he lead OKC past San Antonio means nothing as far as you are stating.

    Lin had significant playing time in 26 regular season games which the team went 16-10 when he always had at least two other All Star players on the court with him in the eastern conference and that means everything as far as you are stating...

    Ok gotcha...

    And my apologies but I do not understand the question you are asking at the end.. Don't understand what you mean by let both of them wait...
     
  13. meh

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    I'm actually asking about how the formula's suppose to work here. Since he listed those numbers, I assume Efficiency per 48 minutes somehow work off of that. I can tell that's not offensive rating, since basketball-reference has different set of numbers. So how is that number derived, and why is it better than simply offensive rating? Which basically adjust points for possessions?
     
  14. AggNRox

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    your point is the blame should be on both when lin and mello played under d'antonio. i was trying to point out the obvious thing. the blame should be solely on mello since lin stepped back after mello was back. lin was not on drive seat anymore. d'antonio tried to give lin freedom to do anything even mello was on the court. mello didn't like. his attitude on the court affected everyone, including lin. lin is a humble guy. he didn't want to stir up anything. after d'antonio quitted, mello started to show his effort. it was the reason knicks won 6 games under woodson.
     
  15. RickyNewport

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    I was being sarcastic about the tie... Guess you didn't catch that my friend ;)

    And Labron had a horrible finals as well..

    But the fact is, Harden had 30 and 40 point games coming off the bench last year. And this season he is averaging 26 points a game and 5 assist with no other consistent offensive threat on the team and the team has a winning record. Everyone has their own opinions of what a Super Star is, but in my opinion that's a super star and that is the same opinion that many others around the NBA have as well...
     
  16. my2cents

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    I am focusing on the team ball and I don't want putting the players against each other. We are the one team. Each one player has the own function on the team. Put Lin's case, Lin is PG and let him play PG and Harden play SG....

    Ppl focus on the player individual stats to beat each other that was out of my consideration....
     
  17. RickyNewport

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    That sounds like a coaching problem more than a player problem with the fact that they still went 6-1 under Woodson. The only problem people would have with that is that Lin was no longer the focal point of the offense. But at the end of the day _ they went 6-1 together under Woodson. So is that a bad thing...???
     
  18. AggNRox

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    if it is bad or not, i don't care since it's knicks. however, your post puts blame on lin (of coz mello too) who is a rox. it becomes matter. i just point out the obvious. lin shouldn't take the blame. i don't understand why you kept saying blame should be on lin and mello both.
     
  19. RickyNewport

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    The team ball concept is all good but you still need dominant offensive players at the end of the day to win games...

    Lin is playing point guard, but truth of the matter is he is a scoring point guard and when he is aggressive and attacking the basket and taking shots is when the Rockets play thier best. Don't have to take my word for it _ check the game logs...

    The guard play is the strength of the team _ why limit JLin to being a pass first point guard. Hell he took around 18 shots a game under D'Antoni last season..

    It's a big advantage having two guards in the backcourt that can handle the ball and initiate the offense. Doesn't have to be solely on one player...
     
  20. RickyNewport

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    I say it's own them both because they are both professionals...

    If the same thing was going on with Lin and Harden I would blame them both (and the coaching staff) as well...
     

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