[Graphic Footage] Cops Kill Man Cold Blooded Or Was It Justified?

after the shooting, no cop wanted part of that. He desperately searched for the knife. Finds nothing, demands paramedics panicking.

 

The Police are trained to secure suspects before doing anything else. That includes calling in for Medical attention. I doesn't matter if its one shot or 15 shots. It's training.

 

a whole clip?

 

F'ed up situation. As others have noted, the officer clearly knew who he was dealing with and repeatedly yelled for the guy not to move. Dude kept the aggressive emotions, scrambling to get out of the vehicle, and, to me, it looked like something was in his right hand. Should've just followed orders and kept his ass in the truck. There was no innocent party in this. Tavon Martin this is not.

As for the number of shots: think number of seconds it took to get them off, instead.

I think it was in his book Blink where Malcolm Gladwell discusses social science research that showed officers are more prone to shooting a suspect when they are alone. No partner == heightened sense of danger.

 

If you ever get handgun training the instructor will always tell you to empty your clip then reload and check your surroundings for further threats.

 

explain the logic of unloading a clip into an unarmed man...

 

He realises that he has just unloaded a full clip into an unarmed man, then calls for the medic to hurry...I agree that you have to listen to the police, but over reaction, maybe just a little?

in saying that, if i was in the same situation i would have at least double tapped him in the chest.

Sad situation all round.

 

From the camera angle I didn't see enough to tell whether the officer had good reason to shoot. I can't see the suspect's hands so I can't tell whether it looks like he might have something that might appear to be a weapon or how much he was moving a manner that could be mistaken as a threat.

Besides that I have said for a long time that it often seems like police are quick to use their guns or tazers where other means might be better. I can't tell if this is one of those situations.

 

What's the difference between firing one bullet and a clip? If your argument is "the latter is more likely to kill", then you completely ignored what I wrote earlier. The officer tried to kill the man. If he didn't try to kill the man, he wouldn't have used his gun at all. That's how it works. You fire a clip, reload, and reassess whether you're still in imminent danger or not.

 

When it doubt. . . unload your clip?
Is this the training?

Rocket River

 

You don't wait to find out and you don't shoot to "subdue".

 

Cops should be armed with non-lethal means of incapacitation. There are many recent technologies that immediately incapacitate a victim without necessarily causing permanent damage or death.

With these new technologies, there's no real reason for cops to address every confrontation with the threat (or the actuality) of lethal force.

Maybe these recent technologies need more time to develop, but they should be considered a priority in any case. Lethal force is increasingly unnecessary, but I suspect it will be a very long time before many people agree.

 

Until they make a taser that is highly accurate at distance and can fire off multiple rounds in succession, that's not going to happen.

Lethal force is only unnecessary as much as non-lethal force allows it to be. And right now, non-lethal force isn't practical.

 

So . . you are saying that IS the training . .that it is true

When in doubt. . . unload your clip

Rocket River

 

If there is a perceived threat, yes, you do what you must to prevent harm to yourself or others. If that means unloading your clip, you do it.

 

honestly from this angle it looked like he was reaching for something in the truck. You Unload your clip because you are taught to do so for your own safety. He was still moving after the clip was unloaded. Put yourself in the cops situation - the suspect was already disobeying your orders - you can only assume (for your own safety) that he's disobeying for his own benefit and to harm you. The can't call for an ambulance until the situation is secure - Once the girl enters into the situation..its no longer secure until she backs away and listens to the officers. By her actions, she actually delayed the officers calling an ambulance. IF she would have listened to the officers in the first place, an ambulance would have been called sooner. Of course if the suspect would have listened to the officers in the first place..he'd still be alive today. Of course, police will always be the bad guy in all situations to some people on this board no matter what happens.

 

Why was he pulled over again?

 

Yeah, I did some more reading about it and I misunderstood the level of development of non-lethal weaponry.

I'm wondering, though, if people would accept it even if it was completely practical and effective.

 

That's where things are obviously headed.

The billy club/baton was replaced with the taser and pepper spray.

Rubber bullets, bean bag guns, etc.

Cops routinely carry non-lethal weapons when they're on duty at things that are typically heavy in civilian activity (ball games, protests, etc.)